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Re: TeamB, bugs and waste of time...


2004-01-08 08:15:48 AM
delphi18
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That goal will be be reached better and more fully if everyone were an
active user of QC.
FWIW, I do not use QC because it requires I have active Inet connection while using it
(maybe it changed recently, I dunno).
 
 

Re: TeamB, bugs and waste of time...

Nick,
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Bugs +should+ be verified by the poster before putting them in QC. If
a user here reports a bug, and I decide to post it into QC for them, I
+will+ verify the bug before putting it in QC. Invalid bug reports in
QC don't do anyone any good.
agreed. but when you trust John Doe to enter bug reports directly into QC,
you might just as well trust him to post these on the newsgroup and forward
them to QC. i don't see how this heightens the chances of bad/fictitious bug
reports. if people are gonna post bug reports that don't make sense to the
NG, they might just as well post those into QC, too...
--
marc hoffman
RemObjects Software, Inc.
www.remobjects.com
 

Re: TeamB, bugs and waste of time...

JED writes:
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That could be prone to misuse though.
actually more like almost certain to be mis-used.
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Re: TeamB, bugs and waste of time...

Dennis Landi writes:
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This was the problem-solving spirit with which I read Alex's firt post. So
the appropriate response, I think, would be to explore the problem with some
solutions; not just shoot his idea down and leave nothing in place but the
status quo which apparently isn't working....
What about a newsgroup specifically for discussing (possible) bugs both pre and
post posting to QC?
--
R.
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blogforamerica.com
"Buying a Nikon doesn't make you a photographer.
It makes you a Nikon owner."
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Re: TeamB, bugs and waste of time...

Alessandro Federici writes:
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As you correctly said (and I pointed out before) the amount of bugs reported
in this newsgroups are minimal so let's not exxagerate talking about family
time and stuff like that.
you are really quite casual in your attitudes towards the way other people
volunteer their time. As someone else has pointed out, if you are so all-fired
consumed with this idea, you have the option of posting other folks bugs to QC
yourself.
--
R.
www.friedman-net.com
www.blogforamerica.com/
"It is one of the superstitions of the human mind to have imagined
that {*word*269}ity could be a virtue."
.. Voltaire
 

Re: TeamB, bugs and waste of time...

marc hoffman writes:
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i don't see how this heightens the chances of bad/fictitious bug
It doesn't. that is what ratings and comments in QC are for.
--
Nick Hodges (TeamB)
Lemanix Corporation - (www.lemanix.com)
 

Re: TeamB, bugs and waste of time...

marc hoffman writes:
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so what again is bad about TeamB (or anyone, really) forwarding
bugs reported by John Doe to the newsgroups to QC, adding a comment
they were reported "in the name of said John Doe", in contrast to
telling John Doe to go and add it to QC himself?
Nothing. No one has said this is bad.
--
Nick Hodges (TeamB)
Lemanix Corporation - (www.lemanix.com)
 

Re: TeamB, bugs and waste of time...

Dennis Landi writes:
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Well we have a QC forum in these ngs now
The place to discuss bugs in Borland products +is+ QC.
I've changed my signature to help let people know that.
--
Nick Hodges (TeamB)
Lemanix Corporation - (www.lemanix.com)
Improve the quality of Delphi! Get your bugs into QC:
qc.borland.com
 

Re: TeamB, bugs and waste of time...

Nick,
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>i don't see how this heightens the chances of bad/fictitious bug

It doesn't. that is what ratings and comments in QC are for.
exactly. so what again is bad about TeamB (or anyone, really) forwarding
bugs reported by John Doe to the newsgroups to QC, adding a comment they
were reported "in the name of said John Doe", in contrast to telling John
Doe to go and add it to QC himself?
i can only see an upside: in many cases John Doe will be too lazy (or maybe
too inexperienced with QC) to go and actually report it, and the issue will
get "lost"; if someone else forwarded, it would not.
--
marc hoffman
RemObjects Software, Inc.
www.remobjects.com
 

Re: TeamB, bugs and waste of time...

"Nick Hodges (TeamB)" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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Nothing. No one has said this is bad.
Great, so my post made sense after all.
 

Re: TeamB, bugs and waste of time...

"Ralph F" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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Dennis Landi writes:

>This was the problem-solving spirit with which I read Alex's firt post.
So
>the appropriate response, I think, would be to explore the problem with
some
>solutions; not just shoot his idea down and leave nothing in place but
the
>status quo which apparently isn't working....

What about a newsgroup specifically for discussing (possible) bugs both
pre and
post posting to QC?

Well we have a QC forum in these ngs now... Not specifically for discussing
bugs. Maybe a specific Bug ng for each language Borland supports would used
by the customer base... Not sure...
I think the basic dynamic here is that Borland has produced resources that
the customer's are not using... How to change that?
-d
 

Re: TeamB, bugs and waste of time...

marc hoffman writes:
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exactly. so what again is bad about TeamB (or anyone, really)
forwarding bugs reported by John Doe to the newsgroups to QC, adding
a comment they were reported "in the name of said John Doe", in
contrast to telling John Doe to go and add it to QC himself?
Nothing "wrong" with it. But there is *many* things wrong with the idea that
this should be a *duty* rather than an occaisional "good deed".
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i can only see an upside: in many cases John Doe will be too lazy (or
maybe too inexperienced with QC) to go and actually report it, and
the issue will get "lost"; if someone else forwarded, it would not.
Where is the upside in aiding and abetting someone's laziness or making it
easy for them to not bother learning how to do something? Furthermore the
idea of being "inexperienced" in using QC is silly, it is hardly rocket
science to figure out how to submit an entry there for someone that uses
development tools!
Every minute we spend trying to do such work is a minute not spent answering
questions in the technical groups - which is supposed to be our main purpose
and is what got each of us on TeamB in the first place. I for one cannot
afford any more minutes in a day on average than I already spend here.
I challenge you to put your time where your mouth is: You spend the next two
weeks volunteering some reasonable amount of your *personal* time scanning
these groups specifically looking for items that should be placed in QC -
without duplicating reports of course, and including enough information in
those reports to reproduce the bug (i.e. be sure you can reproduce it
yourself). If you find you enjoy doing it and are willing to continue doing
so - great! But if you are as busy as most people, it will result in you
having to carve time away from other things in order to do it.
--
Wayne Niddery - Logic Fundamentals, Inc. (www.logicfundamentals.com)
RADBooks: www.logicfundamentals.com/RADBooks.html
"It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can
stand by itself." - Thomas Jefferson
 

Re: TeamB, bugs and waste of time...

On 08-Jan-04, Alessandro Federici said:
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Great, so my post made sense after all.
Well, let's not go *that* far! <g,d&r>
--
Bill
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"You can not keep on doing things the old way and still get the benefits
of the new way." -- Thomas Sowell
 

Re: TeamB, bugs and waste of time...

"Nick Hodges (TeamB)" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes>--
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Nick Hodges (TeamB)
Lemanix Corporation - (www.lemanix.com)
Improve the quality of Delphi! Get your bugs into QC:
qc.borland.com
Bravo! I like it. I might do the same.
 

Re: TeamB, bugs and waste of time...

"Wayne Niddery [TeamB]" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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Nothing "wrong" with it. But there is *many* things wrong with the idea
that
this should be a *duty* rather than an occaisional "good deed".
I never meant it to be a "duty".
It's just something that would save you guys time and would make customers
happier.
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I challenge you to put your time where your mouth is: You spend the next
two
weeks volunteering some reasonable amount of your *personal* time scanning
these groups specifically looking for items that should be placed in QC -
without duplicating reports of course, and including enough information in
those reports to reproduce the bug (i.e. be sure you can reproduce it
yourself). If you find you enjoy doing it and are willing to continue
doing
so - great! But if you are as busy as most people, it will result in you
having to carve time away from other things in order to do it.
Why should he do something different than what was originally purposed?