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The IT industry is shifting away from Microsoft


2003-12-29 07:03:48 AM
delphi70
www.theinquirer.net/
so what's next, .net or kylix ?
 
 

Re:The IT industry is shifting away from Microsoft

"TW" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes news:XXXX@XXXXX.COM...
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www.theinquirer.net/
This article is just so anti-Microsoft with no base in reality. The
speculations in it are mere wishful thinking. And as most Delphi developers
are aware, free is not free when development costs are so inhibitive, and
what Delphi and .NET have brought to the table are huge productivity gains
that are not seen in most open source and Java initiatives.
-Trevor
 

Re:The IT industry is shifting away from Microsoft

Trevor de Koekkoek writes:
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And as most Delphi developers
are aware, free is not free when development costs are so inhibitive,
and what Delphi and .NET have brought to the table are huge
productivity gains that are not seen in most open source and Java
initiatives.
Ummm, yeah, okay. But does the average CFO care? How many companies do in-
house development? What about those who simply "work" on their Office?
AFAIK it wasn't us developers whom the companies installed Windows for...
--
Ben
Mach es wie die Eieruhr - zhl die weichen Eier nur!
 

Re:The IT industry is shifting away from Microsoft

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Ummm, yeah, okay. But does the average CFO care? How many companies do in-
house development? What about those who simply "work" on their Office?
AFAIK it wasn't us developers whom the companies installed Windows for...
fair enough. But free OS's have been around for a while. A good CFO has to
weigh the total cost and that is not just for in-house development, but also
for available software. I am not sure the situation is much different today
than it was a year or 2 ago as the article implies.
 

Re:The IT industry is shifting away from Microsoft

Trevor de Koekkoek writes:
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I'm not sure the situation is much different today
than it was a year or 2 ago as the article implies.
I guess with OpenOffice + Mail + News + Internet the average office PC user
gets a pretty decent setup even under Linux. And if the trend towards
web/java based applets continues I don't see really big white spots on the
Linux software map. This, of course, very much depends on the business
you're in.
--
Ben
 

Re:The IT industry is shifting away from Microsoft

"Trevor de Koekkoek" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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This article is just so anti-Microsoft with no base in reality. The
speculations in it are mere wishful thinking.
Agreed. I approached it with some interest, but it reads like it is been
written by Redhat and SuSE. ;-)
Dave
 

Re:The IT industry is shifting away from Microsoft

Ben Hochstrasser [FF] writes:
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I guess with OpenOffice + Mail + News + Internet the average office
PC user gets a pretty decent setup even under Linux. And if the trend
towards web/java based applets continues I don't see really big white
spots on the Linux software map. This, of course, very much depends
on the business you're in.
<<<<<<<
I agree that this on the surface looks fine, but then there's the
actual users. They don't like something new as it is different from what
they're used to.
Also from a managability standpoint, linux is a nightmare..
New patches are released on a daily basis.
If something gets messed up i put back a 'ghost' immage of the
harddrive.
It's much more time efficient to do it that way than to spend a lot of
time trying to figure out if it is a layer 8 issue or something else
that's f'd up..
Because i can do the same with MS products, and i don't get complaining
users that tell me they don't like the way things work differently the
choice is easy..
 

Re:The IT industry is shifting away from Microsoft

"Ben Hochstrasser [FF]" <bhoc@tiscali123^H^H^H.ch>writes
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I guess with OpenOffice + Mail + News + Internet the average office PC
user
gets a pretty decent setup even under Linux. And if the trend towards
web/java based applets continues I don't see really big white spots on the
Linux software map. This, of course, very much depends on the business
you're in.
The best hope for Linux on the desktop is to replace the desktop with a thin
client setup. In which case, the user doesn't really know or care what OS
is running.
 

Re:The IT industry is shifting away from Microsoft

El Mon, 29 Dec 2003 04:26:42 -0700, Marco Caspers escribi?
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Also from a managability standpoint, linux is a nightmare..
Don`t true. The strucuture of Unix is very different of Microsoft. If you
try to use Linux like Windows you miss the point and really get a
nigthmarew?
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New patches are released on a daily basis. If something gets
messed up i>put back a 'ghost' immage of the harddrive. it is much more time
efficient to do it that way than to spend a lot of time trying to figure
Well, you know, as every thing in IT you need know what are you doing. <G>
Best regards.
German.
 

Re:The IT industry is shifting away from Microsoft

JQP writes:
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The best hope for Linux on the desktop is to replace the desktop with
a thin client setup. In which case, the user doesn't really know or
care what OS is running.
FWIW running on a diskless client and booting via PXE can make a
maintenance a breeze.
--
Ben
 

Re:The IT industry is shifting away from Microsoft

Marco Caspers writes:
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It's much more time efficient to do it that way than to spend a lot of
time trying to figure out if it is a layer 8 issue or something else
that's f'd up..
Because i can do the same with MS products, and i don't get complaining
users that tell me they don't like the way things work differently the
choice is easy..

Simply moaning that Linux isn't mature enough and maintenance was a
nightmare and programming difficult won't create much opportunities for
us programmers.
I wish we'd be a bit more open towards alternative operating systems and
saved some of the dotnet "feu sacr? for that field too. Ah, I see, it's
the famous and arrogand "not invented here" attitude that already cost
the IT industry so and so many jobs...good luck.
--
Ben
Mach es wie die Eieruhr - zhl die weichen Eier nur!
 

Re:The IT industry is shifting away from Microsoft

Ben Hochstrasser [FF] writes:
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a diskless client
careful! This is a Family Forum (tm) <g>
. . .
oh! you wrote, "diskless".
--
R.
 

Re:The IT industry is shifting away from Microsoft

"TW" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes:
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so what's next, .net or kylix ?
I dont know wich will happen first,The Linux community
learn that there is nothing free in the World or Bill
Gates learn that monopoly makes people angry.
What serious and fast language can i use right know in Linux?
I prefer to pay for something and than have somebody to conplain
when something goes wrong.
When i first heard about Linux i thought it was going to be a
free and open source OS,maintened by MicroSoft competitors and
those users who were sick of being explored by Microsoft monopoly policy.
But the OS being free does not mean that someone would not
have to pay for a compiler a word processor and so on,and it
does not means that someone should not been paid to develop the OS too.
It only means that you dont have to pay for The OS(the brain),
so the producers and consumers of the arms,legs and so on would
compete and consume in a more civilizated way.
But at least in Brazil,It seems that the concept is nobody
want to pay for the programs,only the service should be charged.
It is a foolish thing to say.
Im not saying that this whats happend to Kylix,For me Kylix
was conceptually wrong and bad implemented.
I would only consider about using Kylix if Borland had migrated
VCL TO Linux,if it doesnt had bugs,if i had good quality third
part components,its better not to do something than do it for
the half.
Regards,
Marcello Dias
 

Re:The IT industry is shifting away from Microsoft

Marco Caspers writes:
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Also from a managability standpoint, linux is a nightmare..
New patches are released on a daily basis.
Isn't this the reason for products like 'Red Carpet'?
Linux isn't actually that hard to manage- it is just a matter of
perspective. If you're skilled in maintaining Windows then Linux looks
a bit challenging... I have seen quite a few issues that could only be
resolved on Windows by a complete re-install as well!
 

Re:The IT industry is shifting away from Microsoft

JQP writes:
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The best hope for Linux on the desktop is to replace the desktop with a thin
client setup. In which case, the user doesn't really know or care what OS
is running.
Thin client OR specialized use (cash registers etc.).
I'd also consider "thin client" to mean an exclusive MS Office user. If
you're only using MS Office then OpenOffice or StarOffice are fine
substitutes. So, if users are not using anything other than Office,
E-mail and Internet they are good candidates for a Linux solution. And
that's where Linux is going to start sneaking in... It already has done
for a lot of government installations.
Cheers,
Kevin.