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Re: Delphi to be integrated into ms visual studio ?!?


2006-12-02 06:58:00 PM
delphi38
Hi Fred,
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>>Does any of this forum contributors know anything on this subject ?
>I do, and it is totally false.

Does any of this forum contributors know if Nick is telling the truth?
Well, Nick is the CodeGear Delphi Product Manager, and Michael Swindell
is the CodeGear VP of Product Strategy, so if they say it ain't so, you
better believe it ;-)
Groetjes,
Bob Swart
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Re: Delphi to be integrated into ms visual studio ?!?

Laurent Richard writes:
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I was recently very surprised to read the following
www.lemondeinformatique.fr/dossiers/lire-pourquoi-borland-emancipe
-un-peu-ses-outils-de-developpement-17-page-2.html
The relevant bit is:
"Cette politique signe également l'arrêt de Delphi en tant qu'IDE
autonome. Les prochaines versions viendront se greffer sur Visual
Studio, comme un nouveau langage de la plate-forme .NET. Si les
développeurs Delphi risquent de s'y perdre, l'avantage avanc?est que
Delphi sur Visual Studio permettra comme avant de développer soit pour
.NET, soit pour Windows grâce au support de la bibliothèque VCL.
Delphi, en tant que produit, a ét?renomm?en Borland Developer Studio
(BDS) et intègre les langages C++, Delphi et C#. Ces trois langages
supportent la VCL. Ce qui implique que dans les futures versions, C++ et
C# utiliseront respectivement les compilateurs natifs C++ et C# de
Microsoft mais continueront de bénéficier de la VCL."
 

Re: Delphi to be integrated into ms visual studio ?!?

Bob Swart writes:
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Well, Nick is the CodeGear Delphi Product Manager, and Michael Swindell
is the CodeGear VP of Product Strategy, so if they say it ain't so, you
better believe it ;-)
One might add that from a marketing point of view it would seem pretty
stupid to firmly deny plans for a product they intend to release
shortly, in particular given the credibility problems they have had in
the few last years as part of Borland.
--
Henrick Hellström
www.streamsec.com
 

Re: Delphi to be integrated into ms visual studio ?!?

""Henrick Hellström [StreamSec]"" writes:
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Bob Swart writes:

>Well, Nick is the CodeGear Delphi Product Manager, and Michael Swindell
>is the CodeGear VP of Product Strategy, so if they say it ain't so, you
>better believe it ;-)

One might add that from a marketing point of view it would seem pretty
stupid to firmly deny plans for a product they intend to release shortly,
in particular given the credibility problems they have had in the few last
years as part of Borland.
Even so, but is there any chance we could subject these guys to a Salem
Witch Trial experience just to make sure they really are truthful? I have in
mind the one where you tie the 'witch' to a heavy weight and toss the said
witch into the river. If the accused drowned, then they were innocent, if
they floated they were guilty and hanged. ;-)
 

Re: Delphi to be integrated into ms visual studio ?!?

"tony caduto" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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Nathaniel L. Walker writes:
>Eclipse is not a good base for non-Java-type-language oriented IDEs.
>
>It would be harder to implement a new Delphi IDE on Eclipse than
>on Visual Studio, especially since all the .NET stuff is, well, .NET.
>and Visual Studio already has all the designers, etc. in the IDE to
>begin with.
>

I don't think that is the case. Eclipse has plug ins for lots of
non java type languages(perl,php,C# and C++ come to mind). After all a
IDE is nothing more than a fancy front end to some compiler or runtime.

And I disagree, respectfully.
Eclipse refactoring support does not do well for C++, PHP, PERL, C#,
Ruby, <Insert_Other_Name_Here>.
Nor does its modelling framework, graphical designers, etc.
Those tools are built "from the ground up" by their distributors (if
available).
- Nate.
 

Re: Delphi to be integrated into ms visual studio ?!?

I.P. Nichols writes:
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""Henrick Hellström [StreamSec]"" writes:
>Bob Swart writes:
>
>>Well, Nick is the CodeGear Delphi Product Manager, and Michael
>>Swindell is the CodeGear VP of Product Strategy, so if they say it
>>ain't so, you better believe it ;-)
>
>One might add that from a marketing point of view it would seem pretty
>stupid to firmly deny plans for a product they intend to release
>shortly, in particular given the credibility problems they have had in
>the few last years as part of Borland.

Even so, but is there any chance we could subject these guys to a Salem
Witch Trial experience just to make sure they really are truthful? I
have in mind the one where you tie the 'witch' to a heavy weight and
toss the said witch into the river. If the accused drowned, then they
were innocent, if they floated they were guilty and hanged. ;-)

Someone's been seeing too much Monty Python lately :)
but frankly that did work :)
 

Re: Delphi to be integrated into ms visual studio ?!?

Nils Haeck writes:
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The article seems to be written by Pierre Tan (koti at idg dot fr), and the
comments seem to be made by Bruno de Combiens from Borland France. The
article only *references* another interview with Michael Schwindel.

I understand a bit of french and the article is written very speculatively
like "it could perhaps happen this and that way", and it is also not very
clear who states what.
Nope. The French text is this:
Cette politique signe également l'arrêt de Delphi en tant qu'IDE
autonome. Les prochaines versions viendront se greffer sur Visual
Studio, comme un nouveau langage de la plate-forme .NET.
Which means that:
These decisions also mark the stop of Delphi as an autonomous IDE. The
next versions will plugg themselves onto Visual Studio, as a new
language of the .Net platform.
And trust me, the uproar in the French community is HUGE.
"Le monde" is sort of a reference in the press here, CodeGear better put
out an official statement, IN FRENCH, or many people will leave the boat...
--
Olivier Sannier
JVCL Coordinator
jvcl.sf.net/
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https://www.linkedin.com/in/obones
 

Re: Delphi to be integrated into ms visual studio ?!?

Oh yeah, and it also says that the next version of C++ will use
Microsoft's compiler but keeping the benefit of the VCL...
And there is no "conditional" here, it is stated as a fact.
--
Olivier Sannier
JVCL Coordinator
jvcl.sf.net/
Find more about me on LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/obones
 

Re: Delphi to be integrated into ms visual studio ?!?

"Nathaniel L. Walker" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes <4570bacd$XXXX@XXXXX.COM>
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Kinda a slap in the face to those in Delphi myopia.
I think those people are going to get much bigger slaps in the face from reality, as do all that get myopic in their technology choices.
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Re: Delphi to be integrated into ms visual studio ?!?

"Michael Swindell (CodeGear)" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes <4570bf85$XXXX@XXXXX.COM>
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To be very clear: we are *not* integrating Delphi into Visual Studio. We are
not moving any of our developer studio into Visual Studio.
Well, there we have it. Urban legends even infiltrate our hallowed newsgroups. Wow, I am shocked.
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Re: Delphi to be integrated into ms visual studio ?!?

Fred Derf <nospam>writes <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>
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Does any of this forum contributors know if Nick is telling the truth?
"What is truth? Is your truth the same as my truth?" -Pontius Pilate
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Re: Delphi to be integrated into ms visual studio ?!?

Captain Jake writes:
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"What is truth? Is your truth the same as my truth?" -Pontius Pilate
The truth isn't your or mine. The truth exists regardless of us.
 

Re: Delphi to be integrated into ms visual studio ?!?

Indeed, this information is not made to reassure the French users.
Der§en.
"OBones" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>a écrit dans le message de news:
4571ca36$XXXX@XXXXX.COM...
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Nils Haeck writes:

>The article seems to be written by Pierre Tan (koti at idg dot fr), and
>the comments seem to be made by Bruno de Combiens from Borland France.
>The article only *references* another interview with Michael Schwindel.
>
>I understand a bit of french and the article is written very
>speculatively like "it could perhaps happen this and that way", and it's
>also not very clear who states what.

Nope. The French text is this:

Cette politique signe également l'arrêt de Delphi en tant qu'IDE autonome.
Les prochaines versions viendront se greffer sur Visual Studio, comme un
nouveau langage de la plate-forme .NET.

Which means that:

These decisions also mark the stop of Delphi as an autonomous IDE. The
next versions will plugg themselves onto Visual Studio, as a new language
of the .Net platform.


And trust me, the uproar in the French community is HUGE.
"Le monde" is sort of a reference in the press here, CodeGear better put
out an official statement, IN FRENCH, or many people will leave the
boat...

--
Olivier Sannier
JVCL Coordinator
jvcl.sf.net/

Find more about me on LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/obones
 

Re: Delphi to be integrated into ms visual studio ?!?

OBones writes:
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Oh yeah, and it also says that the next version of C++ will use
Microsoft's compiler but keeping the benefit of the VCL...
And there is no "conditional" here, it is stated as a fact.
Then someone needs to find out what this writer's agenda is - or if it
really came from someone at Borland France, *that* person needs to be dealt
with by CodeGear ASAP.
--
Wayne Niddery - Winwright, Inc (www.winwright.ca)
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go
away." - Philip K.{*word*106}
 

Re: Delphi to be integrated into ms visual studio ?!?

Fred Derf writes:
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Does any of this forum contributors know if Nick is telling the truth?
Michael Swindell and I both do.
--
Nick Hodges
Delphi Product Manager - CodeGear
blogs.borland.com/nickhodges