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Re: Blackfish Questions


2007-09-08 06:29:01 AM
delphi88
Nick,
| No, they are considered on CPU.
Thanks.
Craig also pointed out that I missed that info with my scan.
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Re: Blackfish Questions

Wayne Niddery [TeamB] writes:
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Brion L. Webster writes:
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>"Licensed for one physical CPU per PC". The bundled licenses will not
>allow running on a multi-CPU computer. Note I did NOT say
>multi-core, I said multi-CPU. That certainly kills all my server
>deployments, and a large number of desktops.

You have a very straneg way of interpreting things sometimes. InterBase
Server is also, by default, licensed for a single physical CPU, you must
buy additional CPU licenses if you want to have it *take advantage* of the
other CPUs in your system, but it runs just fine on a system with any
number of CPUs, it is just that it will only use ONE of those!

The exact same applies for Blackfish.

I cannot figure out how you can interpret a license for a single CPU to
mean it *won't run* on a multi-cpu machine. First time I have heard anyone
ever come up with that one!
I'll accept your apology now, Wayne. Since the "relevant portion of the
license" has been posted and clearly eliminates installing on servers with
more than one CPU.
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Re: Blackfish Questions

Craig Stuntz [TeamB] writes:
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Tim Del Chiaro (CodeGear) writes:

>[...] provided each computer has only one (1) CPU [...]

Do you really intend to bar deployment to SMP machines? Aside from the
fact that this is, practically speaking, not enforceable (I can't
really control which hardware my customers deploy to, nor can I stop
them from increasing CPU count in the future), it doesn't make sense.

If you want a single-CPU restriction, you need to set the process
affinity in the application, like every other server with such terms.

Or is this just an error in the license text?
Thank you for stepping up on this one, Craig. Hopefully they'll change
the license. At least it is a start.
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Re: Blackfish Questions

Brion L. Webster writes:
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I'll accept your apology now, Wayne. Since the "relevant portion of
the license" has been posted and clearly eliminates installing on
servers with more than one CPU.
If they actually enforce it that way then I will agree they are screwing any
chance of it being used much - such a limit it makes absolutely no sense
because the server merely has to limit itself to running on a single CPU in
that system - as InterBase does. How much you want to bet this is a wording
screwup that gets fixed?
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Re: Blackfish Questions

Wayne Niddery [TeamB] writes:
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Brion L. Webster writes:
>I'll accept your apology now, Wayne. Since the "relevant portion of
>the license" has been posted and clearly eliminates installing on
>servers with more than one CPU.

If they actually enforce it that way then I will agree they are screwing any
chance of it being used much - such a limit it makes absolutely no sense
because the server merely has to limit itself to running on a single CPU in
that system - as InterBase does. How much you want to bet this is a wording
screwup that gets fixed?

How much do you want to bet that the 'single-CPU' wording (generically)
in the (generic) license is something that CodeGear has been aware of
for several months now?
<G>
David Erbas-White
P.S. I am continually amazed that it takes as long to release a product
as it does to release a roadmap, or correct a license issue. IOW, it
seems as though the product release cycle for CodeGear is shorter than
the amount of time it took to release the fabled 'roadmap', or to make
what ought to be simple, and obvious, corrections such as this. I
really wonder sometimes how much the 'legal' department is on the ball
with this stuff.
 

Re: Blackfish Questions

David Erbas-White writes:
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P.S. I am continually amazed that it takes as long to release a product
as it does to release a roadmap, or correct a license issue.
I was amazed, now I am not.
Quote
IOW, it
seems as though the product release cycle for CodeGear is shorter than
the amount of time it took to release the fabled 'roadmap', or to make
what ought to be simple, and obvious, corrections such as this. I
really wonder sometimes how much the 'legal' department is on the ball
with this stuff.
ISTM, they should just banish the legal department and take their
chances. At least put them in the back seat rather than the drivers
seat. CodeGear needs to be able to act/react like a small company, not
a large one with massive legal departments.
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Re: Blackfish Questions

Nick Hodges (CodeGear) writes:
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Send me an email on this.
Should all interested parties send you an email? :)
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Re: Blackfish Questions

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Anything that adds complexity to my deployment situation, especially for
something as niggling as arbitrary licensing, is just plain misguided.
CodeGear already has Interbase for that.
In that case you should buy licenses in advance. The free edition is
obviously for apps less complicated.
 

Re: Blackfish Questions

Brion L. Webster writes:
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Microsoft Access is not free. But it is free to deploy the .mdb files,
providing you have the right licensed application.
That's a myth. I can create MDB files from scratch in my Delphi
applications. ADO etc is bundled with Windows.
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Re: Blackfish Questions

Brion L. Webster writes:
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I don't understand the product strategy, it seems to compete with
Interbase, and doesn't fill any niche I can understand.
I tend to agree here.
To successfully introduce a new commercial database now, that still
needs to prove itself in terms of reliability and scalability, would
require
an attractive licensing model IMHO. Such as per-developer or per-server
rather than per-seat. That would make the product compete with
MySQL, NexusDB etc.
Otherwise, there are plenty of alternatives around that are tried and
tested and for which support is available.
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Re: Blackfish Questions

Craig Stuntz [TeamB] writes:
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I don't really think it is necessary. Any host which will accept a .NET
assembly (or a JAR, for that matter) will already work.
Do you happen to know if there is an OleDB(ADO) provider for Blackfish?
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Re: Blackfish Questions

Arthur Hoornweg writes:
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Do you happen to know if there is an OleDB(ADO) provider for
Blackfish?
Based on this:
www.codegear.com/products/blackfish/
...I kind of doubt it.
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Re: Blackfish Questions

Arthur Hoornweg writes:
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Brion L. Webster writes:

>Microsoft Access is not free. But it is free to deploy the .mdb
>files, providing you have the right licensed application.

That's a myth.
Not really. it is a fact that MS access isn't free. You and Brion are
talking about different things.
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Re: Blackfish Questions

Arthur Hoornweg writes:
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Weird. So in native-mode country, only Delphi (dbExpress)
applications are allowed to connect?
So far. it is brand new.
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What does Borland/Codegear have against Ado, anyway?
Fire and motion? I don't know. IMHO they should support it, but I
don't know what the opportunity cost would be.
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Re: Blackfish Questions

Wayne Niddery [TeamB] writes:
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Brion L. Webster writes:
>
>I'll accept your apology now, Wayne. Since the "relevant portion of
>the license" has been posted and clearly eliminates installing on
>servers with more than one CPU.

If they actually enforce it that way then I will agree they are screwing
any chance of it being used much - such a limit it makes absolutely no
sense because the server merely has to limit itself to running on a single
CPU in that system - as InterBase does. How much you want to bet this is a
wording screwup that gets fixed?
After a weekend's solace with {*word*63} <g>, I would like to apologize for my
post. I get extra bitter when I get told I am being too doom & gloomy,
when lo & behold they live up to it.
If the CD's are already off to the presses, it may be too late in the
game. My fear is you can not change a mindset that actually believes these
licenses are OK, and team management that presumably either read the
licenses prior to approval and either didn't care enough to catch it, or
didn't worry enough about it to correct it. Greedy/short sighted on one
hand, and sloppy on the other.
I want Delphi to succeed, and I think it needs C++ Builder and the rest of
the tools to do so.
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