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Your opinions needed


2004-05-17 01:42:27 PM
delphi181
Hi all.
Ive just uploaded the beta version of Pixellab .. I'd appreciate all of
you to have a go at it and send in your feedback regarding the usage, bug
reports etc. You can post them in the forum if you like.
Its available at pixellab.soumitrab.com
Thanks and Regards
 
 

Re:Your opinions needed

Looks good! Not sure about the skin stuff on the toolwindows, but excellent
work :)
Jon Lennart Aasenden,
Norway
"None" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
Quote
Hi all.
Ive just uploaded the beta version of Pixellab .. I'd appreciate all
of
you to have a go at it and send in your feedback regarding the usage, bug
reports etc. You can post them in the forum if you like.
Its available at pixellab.soumitrab.com

Thanks and Regards


 

Re:Your opinions needed

Opened a jpg and typed 50 in the zoom/navigation palette..and it crashed..
There´s alot of nice features, but there´s alot of strange behaviours in the
program that makes it very hard to work with (e.g. I tried to delete a value
in an edit field by hitting "del" and then the layer was deleted??).
It seems to me that the parts you should concentrate on is stability
coherent response to keystrokes - you already have alot of nice features (I
like your noise removal .. I thrashed the image with the old film filter,
and the noise removal did a good job afterwards).
Regards,
Michael.
"None" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
Quote
Hi all.
Ive just uploaded the beta version of Pixellab .. I'd appreciate all
of
you to have a go at it and send in your feedback regarding the usage, bug
reports etc. You can post them in the forum if you like.
Its available at pixellab.soumitrab.com

Thanks and Regards


 

Re:Your opinions needed

I agree with Jon, Soumitra:
you should try to make it more stable: the features it has are already many
and interesting, but the program cannot be used if it is not stable. Dont be
tempted to have all features in photoshop, you will not be able to do that
(at least alone and in a hobby project): the most important things are easy
of use, stability and nice useful features..
Hope these comments help you in future.
--
New World Software
Creative Tools for Creative People
new-world-software.com
"None" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>ha scritto nel messaggio
Quote
Hi all.
Ive just uploaded the beta version of Pixellab .. I'd appreciate all
of
you to have a go at it and send in your feedback regarding the usage, bug
reports etc. You can post them in the forum if you like.
Its available at pixellab.soumitrab.com

Thanks and Regards


 

Re:Your opinions needed

Lots of features but interface is all over the place..that brushed look is
soooooooo 20th century
"None" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
Quote
Hi all.
Ive just uploaded the beta version of Pixellab .. I'd appreciate all
of
you to have a go at it and send in your feedback regarding the usage, bug
reports etc. You can post them in the forum if you like.
Its available at pixellab.soumitrab.com

Thanks and Regards


 

Re:Your opinions needed

yes, pressing 'del' actually clears the image and fills it with the
background color .. the keyboard response hasnt been fully worked on .. i
think till then avoiding using the 'del' for typed values is one way out
..:)
Regards
"Michael Hansen" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
Quote
Opened a jpg and typed 50 in the zoom/navigation palette..and it crashed..
There´s alot of nice features, but there´s alot of strange behaviours in
the
program that makes it very hard to work with (e.g. I tried to delete a
value
in an edit field by hitting "del" and then the layer was deleted??).
It seems to me that the parts you should concentrate on is stability
coherent response to keystrokes - you already have alot of nice features
(I
like your noise removal .. I thrashed the image with the old film filter,
and the noise removal did a good job afterwards).

Regards,

Michael.


"None" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
news:XXXX@XXXXX.COM...
>Hi all.
>Ive just uploaded the beta version of Pixellab .. I'd appreciate all
of
>you to have a go at it and send in your feedback regarding the usage,
bug
>reports etc. You can post them in the forum if you like.
>Its available at pixellab.soumitrab.com
>
>Thanks and Regards
>
>


 

Re:Your opinions needed

dont worry, im not trying to be in Photoshop's league either :)
but it would be nice to know what on the issues of stability & ease of use i
missed, not addressed.
Regards
"Francesco Savastano" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
Quote
I agree with Jon, Soumitra:
you should try to make it more stable: the features it has are already
many
and interesting, but the program cannot be used if it is not stable. Dont
be
tempted to have all features in photoshop, you will not be able to do that
(at least alone and in a hobby project): the most important things are
easy
of use, stability and nice useful features..
Hope these comments help you in future.


--
New World Software
Creative Tools for Creative People
new-world-software.com
"None" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>ha scritto nel messaggio
news:XXXX@XXXXX.COM...
>Hi all.
>Ive just uploaded the beta version of Pixellab .. I'd appreciate all
of
>you to have a go at it and send in your feedback regarding the usage,
bug
>reports etc. You can post them in the forum if you like.
>Its available at pixellab.soumitrab.com
>
>Thanks and Regards
>
>


 

Re:Your opinions needed

brushed look eh? old is gold eh? ;
Regards
"mrjumbles" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
Quote
Lots of features but interface is all over the place..that brushed look is
soooooooo 20th century

"None" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
news:XXXX@XXXXX.COM...
>Hi all.
>Ive just uploaded the beta version of Pixellab .. I'd appreciate all
of
>you to have a go at it and send in your feedback regarding the usage,
bug
>reports etc. You can post them in the forum if you like.
>Its available at pixellab.soumitrab.com
>
>Thanks and Regards
>
>


 

Re:Your opinions needed

Soumi,
to be honest i dont think the program is mature for selling yet, for being a
beta imho there are still quite a lot of things to fix.
I can tell some of them here but the list is quite long:
* for example the airbrush seems not to work at all. Also the user shouldnt
be able to input any value for the amount into the editbox (i put a value of
500 and of course the results of the painting was very weird) as well as the
other edit boxes.
* Many features are interesting and promising (if they could work as
expected) but quite difficult to use (maybe for you not because you made the
program;) and i always end finding some unexpected behaviour (for example my
computer froze while i was using the select by color dialog 99% my cpu taken
and beside this i wasnt able to see any selection happen when i chose a
color)
* I dont like much how you represent selections (why not just using a
marching ants algorithm? no need to reinvent the wheel)
* sometimes after i make a selection i loose it (this seems to happen when i
do it too fast..)
* in the new layer dialog it is not a good idea to have by default values of
0 for both width and height, infact i immediatly got a cannot allocate dib
error trying to create a layer with such sizes. I also suggest to have by
default the width and height of the background layer set in the edit boxes
(also they look like they are disabled)
* Some features still seem not be implemented or do not work, for example
the "actions palette": does it work or i am so dumb i cannot use it..
* I looked for a brush- shape selector but i couldnt find it (but i have
seen it in your screenshoots)
* Does the gradient tool provide any functionality at all?
* Some elements of the interface are completely misterious for me: how does
the paths window and tool work? I tried to use them but without success, i
made a path with the pen and pressed whatever was possible in the paths
window to render the path and it didnt work.
* Why in color dialog there are 2 labels named "alpha" under two different
items.
* After i create a path i wasnt able to do anything else until i dont get
rid of it but no message tells me what i have to do and if i go to the paths
window and press delete path it doesnt go away.
* Resizing a layer from one of its corners doesnt keep proportions (this is
not standard behaviour)
*Trying to type a text using the text tool just caused the program to
shutdown immediately.
I could go on for a while...
I dont want to seem too critique but you should really work and concentrate
on the stability of the features.
Kind Regards,
Francesco
P.S. in future i will always be available for testing the program and i
expect a really big improvement from you:)
"None" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>ha scritto nel messaggio
Quote
dont worry, im not trying to be in Photoshop's league either :)
but it would be nice to know what on the issues of stability & ease of use
i
missed, not addressed.
Regards

"Francesco Savastano" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
news:40a87fef$XXXX@XXXXX.COM...
>I agree with Jon, Soumitra:
>you should try to make it more stable: the features it has are already
many
>and interesting, but the program cannot be used if it is not stable. Dont
be
>tempted to have all features in photoshop, you will not be able to do
that
>(at least alone and in a hobby project): the most important things are
easy
>of use, stability and nice useful features..
>Hope these comments help you in future.
>
>
>--
>New World Software
>Creative Tools for Creative People
>new-world-software.com
>"None" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>ha scritto nel messaggio
>news:XXXX@XXXXX.COM...
>>Hi all.
>>Ive just uploaded the beta version of Pixellab .. I'd appreciate
all
>of
>>you to have a go at it and send in your feedback regarding the usage,
bug
>>reports etc. You can post them in the forum if you like.
>>Its available at pixellab.soumitrab.com
>>
>>Thanks and Regards
>>
>>
>
>


 

Re:Your opinions needed

Hi Francesco,
Well yes there were so many things to do being single handed was a git
difficult to keep track of things.
Quote
* for example the airbrush seems not to work at all. Also the user
shouldnt
be able to input any value for the amount into the editbox (i put a value
of
500 and of course the results of the painting was very weird) as well as
the
other edit boxes.
This is perhaps for the intensity parameter .. will fix.
Quote
* Many features are interesting and promising (if they could work as
expected) but quite difficult to use (maybe for you not because you made
the
program;) and i always end finding some unexpected behaviour (for example
my
computer froze while i was using the select by color dialog 99% my cpu
taken
and beside this i wasnt able to see any selection happen when i chose a
color)
I totally forgot to update this proc.
Quote
* I dont like much how you represent selections (why not just using a
marching ants algorithm? no need to reinvent the wheel)
I used to but the marching ants algo takes too much CPU time to display ..
so i thought of this.
Quote
* sometimes after i make a selection i loose it (this seems to happen when
i
do it too fast..)
Do not right click either, unles u are using a polygon/lasso
Quote
* in the new layer dialog it is not a good idea to have by default values
of
0 for both width and height, infact i immediatly got a cannot allocate dib
error trying to create a layer with such sizes. I also suggest to have by
default the width and height of the background layer set in the edit boxes
(also they look like they are disabled)
Good point
Quote
* Some features still seem not be implemented or do not work, for example
the "actions palette": does it work or i am so dumb i cannot use it..
No ur not dumb but i think u didnt press the 'record' button :) Its function
is like VCR functions.
Quote
* I looked for a brush- shape selector but i couldnt find it (but i have
seen it in your screenshoots)
You have to click the brush nib display to show the brush shape selector
dialog.
Quote
* Does the gradient tool provide any functionality at all?
Sure does, why ? Makes gradients :)
Quote
* Some elements of the interface are completely misterious for me: how
does
the paths window and tool work? I tried to use them but without success, i
made a path with the pen and pressed whatever was possible in the paths
window to render the path and it didnt work.
You will have to check the help file .. put a large value in the tools
interpolator input box
Quote
* Why in color dialog there are 2 labels named "alpha" under two different
items.
Explained in help file for the way i implemented the colors
Quote
* After i create a path i wasnt able to do anything else until i dont get
rid of it but no message tells me what i have to do and if i go to the
paths
window and press delete path it doesnt go away.
Help File again ..
Quote
* Resizing a layer from one of its corners doesnt keep proportions (this
is
not standard behaviour)
You have to press shift to proportionately scale the layer.
Quote
*Trying to type a text using the text tool just caused the program to
shutdown immediately.
It is a minor prob .. press 'tab' to come to the editor and make a dummy
selection till the font name is 'tahoma' .. then begin .. will fix this.
Quote
I could go on for a while...
I dont want to seem too critique but you should really work and
concentrate
on the stability of the features.
Kind Regards,
Francesco

P.S. in future i will always be available for testing the program and i
expect a really big improvement from you:)
Yes i will be working to styabilize the application, good to know of all
these from you all since it was impossible for me to know it all by myself
Thanks a ton and best regards
Soumi
 

Re:Your opinions needed

Quote
Yes i will be working to styabilize the application, good to know of all
these from you all since it was impossible for me to know it all by myself
Thanks a ton and best regards
Soumi
You're welcome, have a nice day:)
 

Re:Your opinions needed

As Francesco pointed out, you may find the use and stability of the program
ok, but you coded it ;)
If you can get someone (preferable someone who use DTP programs often) to
use the program while you observe and notate, you may be able to better
understand what we mean.
About the keystroke issue - you need to keep track of which kinds of
components/features is in focus - universal keystroke response is a very bad
idea - specially for a common key like "del" (and basically you can´t do
assumptions on how people use their keyboards ..).
There was two issues that specially irritated me: the default layout when
the program opens.. the palettes are placed chaotic, and the layout when you
open a file..you should fit image zoom so no scrollbars appears.
And then there´s one filter that really sucks (maybe just the name) -
AntiAlias... this is probably the most inappropiate name for a blur filter!
To the positive side of things: As said there´s alot of features, thats
nice! Your icon work is nice and in most cases meaningful, which many
programs lacks. The layout is in most cases good and easy to navigate
through (if we look away from the functional bugs).
One feature request though, statistics and analysis of the image...
Regards,
Michael.
"None" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
Quote
yes, pressing 'del' actually clears the image and fills it with the
background color .. the keyboard response hasnt been fully worked on .. i
think till then avoiding using the 'del' for typed values is one way out
..:)
Regards

"Michael Hansen" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
news:40a86d2b$XXXX@XXXXX.COM...
>Opened a jpg and typed 50 in the zoom/navigation palette..and it
crashed..
>There´s alot of nice features, but there´s alot of strange behaviours in
the
>program that makes it very hard to work with (e.g. I tried to delete a
value
>in an edit field by hitting "del" and then the layer was deleted??).
>It seems to me that the parts you should concentrate on is stability
>coherent response to keystrokes - you already have alot of nice features
(I
>like your noise removal .. I thrashed the image with the old film
filter,
>and the noise removal did a good job afterwards).
>
>Regards,
>
>Michael.
>
>
>"None" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
>news:XXXX@XXXXX.COM...
>>Hi all.
>>Ive just uploaded the beta version of Pixellab .. I'd appreciate
all
>of
>>you to have a go at it and send in your feedback regarding the usage,
bug
>>reports etc. You can post them in the forum if you like.
>>Its available at pixellab.soumitrab.com
>>
>>Thanks and Regards
>>
>>
>
>


 

Re:Your opinions needed

Thanks again, ive had that keyboard prob chronic .. any ideas how to go
about it ?
To check whther any control has focus and then dispatching the appropriiate
keydown msg is a bit tedious and i think impractical ,, maybe there has to
be another way out ...
As is Photoshop, how is it that the activeMDI form is always in focus
relentless of which other alwaysOnTop dialog is clicked ?
Thanks and best regards
"Michael Hansen" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
Quote
As Francesco pointed out, you may find the use and stability of the
program
ok, but you coded it ;)
If you can get someone (preferable someone who use DTP programs often) to
use the program while you observe and notate, you may be able to better
understand what we mean.
About the keystroke issue - you need to keep track of which kinds of
components/features is in focus - universal keystroke response is a very
bad
idea - specially for a common key like "del" (and basically you can´t do
assumptions on how people use their keyboards ..).

There was two issues that specially irritated me: the default layout when
the program opens.. the palettes are placed chaotic, and the layout when
you
open a file..you should fit image zoom so no scrollbars appears.

And then there´s one filter that really sucks (maybe just the name) -
AntiAlias... this is probably the most inappropiate name for a blur
filter!

To the positive side of things: As said there´s alot of features, thats
nice! Your icon work is nice and in most cases meaningful, which many
programs lacks. The layout is in most cases good and easy to navigate
through (if we look away from the functional bugs).

One feature request though, statistics and analysis of the image...


Regards,

Michael.

"None" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
news:XXXX@XXXXX.COM...
>yes, pressing 'del' actually clears the image and fills it with the
>background color .. the keyboard response hasnt been fully worked on ..
i
>think till then avoiding using the 'del' for typed values is one way out
>..:)
>Regards
>
>"Michael Hansen" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
>news:40a86d2b$XXXX@XXXXX.COM...
>>Opened a jpg and typed 50 in the zoom/navigation palette..and it
crashed..
>>There´s alot of nice features, but there´s alot of strange behaviours
in
>the
>>program that makes it very hard to work with (e.g. I tried to delete a
>value
>>in an edit field by hitting "del" and then the layer was deleted??).
>>It seems to me that the parts you should concentrate on is stability
>>coherent response to keystrokes - you already have alot of nice
features
>(I
>>like your noise removal .. I thrashed the image with the old film
filter,
>>and the noise removal did a good job afterwards).
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Michael.
>>
>>
>>"None" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
>>news:XXXX@XXXXX.COM...
>>>Hi all.
>>>Ive just uploaded the beta version of Pixellab .. I'd appreciate
all
>>of
>>>you to have a go at it and send in your feedback regarding the
usage,
>bug
>>>reports etc. You can post them in the forum if you like.
>>>Its available at pixellab.soumitrab.com
>>>
>>>Thanks and Regards
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>


 

Re:Your opinions needed

"None" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>wrote in news:XXXX@XXXXX.COM:
Quote
Thanks again, ive had that keyboard prob chronic .. any ideas how to
go about it ?
To check whther any control has focus and then dispatching the
appropriiate keydown msg is a bit tedious and i think impractical ,,
maybe there has to be another way out ...
As is Photoshop, how is it that the activeMDI form is always in focus
relentless of which other alwaysOnTop dialog is clicked ?
Thanks and best regards

I quess because the always on top windows of photoshop can not accept
focus but yours can.
regards
Yannis.