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Re: Hobbyist Programmer


2004-07-01 06:59:03 PM
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At 10:54:37, 01.07.2004, Ben Hochstrasser writes:
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My point is: The std versions were "good enough" to build decent and
stable GUI and console applications.
Yes, indeed.
--
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]
"Premature optimization is the root of all evil." -- Donald Knuth
 
 

Re: Hobbyist Programmer

Kevin <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes:
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I R T writes:
>>* Cheap standard/personal version that allows for commercial
>>* development.
>I dont this that this is an issue for students or hobbyists.

How do you define hobbyist?
A nonprofessional doing it for fun.
Rudy is an excellent example.
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To me a hobbyist is simply a developer
who is programming in his spare time.
I bet that a lot of these
people sell their software using the shareware model.
That is like a police man who works as a security guard on his free days.
It is still a real job, not a hobby.
 

Re: Hobbyist Programmer

I R T writes:
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That is like a police man who works as a security guard on his free days.
It is still a real job, not a hobby.
Really? So for you a hobbyist is someone who works on software with no
intention of selling it _EVER_? I wonder how many of these types of
hobbyists exist. People, raise your hands and be counted! I have never
met this type of person personally... just curious.
Cheers,
Kevin.
 

Re: Hobbyist Programmer

"Kevin" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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Really? So for you a hobbyist is someone who works on software with no
intention of selling it _EVER_? I wonder how many of these types of
hobbyists exist.
The world of Open Source is full of them.
 

Re: Hobbyist Programmer

JQP writes:
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>Really? So for you a hobbyist is someone who works on software with no
>intention of selling it _EVER_? I wonder how many of these types of
>hobbyists exist.

The world of Open Source is full of them.
So, by your definition all hobbyists are Open Source developers? I'm
quite sure that this is incorrect.
I still class myself as a hobbyist developer. I do make money from my
hobby though. Am I wrong in calling myself a hobbyist?
Cheers,
Kevin.
 

Re: Hobbyist Programmer

Kevin writes:
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JQP writes:
>>Really? So for you a hobbyist is someone who works on software
>>with no intention of selling it EVER? I wonder how many of these
>>types of hobbyists exist.
>
>The world of Open Source is full of them.

So, by your definition all hobbyists are Open Source developers? I'm
quite sure that this is incorrect.
That's not at all what JQP wrote. He said that many hobbiests work on
Open Source projects, not that *all* hobbiests do.
www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/hasty-generalization.html
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I still class myself as a hobbyist developer. I do make money from
my hobby though. Am I wrong in calling myself a hobbyist?
No, IMHO.
-Craig
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Craig Stuntz [TeamB] . Vertex Systems Corp. . Columbus, OH
Delphi/InterBase Weblog : blogs.teamb.com/craigstuntz
 

Re: Hobbyist Programmer

Craig Stuntz [TeamB] writes:
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>>>Really? So for you a hobbyist is someone who works on software
>>>with no intention of selling it EVER? I wonder how many of these
>>>types of hobbyists exist.
>>
>>The world of Open Source is full of them.
>
>So, by your definition all hobbyists are Open Source developers? I'm
>quite sure that this is incorrect.

That's not at all what JQP wrote. He said that many hobbiests work on
Open Source projects, not that *all* hobbiests do.
Actually... I did realize that... I am just trying to get to JQP's
definition of a hobbyist really is. I figured that making a statement
like the above would get the answer I am digging for. ;-) However, I
just realized that I had been replying to IRT all the time and then JQP
stepped in with his contribution. :-)
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www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/hasty-generalization.html
No, it was intended. :-D Somewhat tongue-in-cheek but with the smiley
left off.
 

Re: Hobbyist Programmer

"Kevin" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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JQP writes:
>>Really? So for you a hobbyist is someone who works on software with no
>>intention of selling it _EVER_? I wonder how many of these types of
>>hobbyists exist.
>
>The world of Open Source is full of them.

So, by your definition all hobbyists are Open Source developers? I'm
quite sure that this is incorrect.
The definition was not mine but I do think that many Open Source developers
fit the model of "someone who works on software with no
intention of selling it".
 

Re: Hobbyist Programmer

JQP writes:
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>>>Really? So for you a hobbyist is someone who works on software with no
>>>intention of selling it _EVER_? I wonder how many of these types of
>>>hobbyists exist.
>>
>>The world of Open Source is full of them.
>
>So, by your definition all hobbyists are Open Source developers? I'm
>quite sure that this is incorrect.

The definition was not mine but I do think that many Open Source developers
fit the model of "someone who works on software with no
intention of selling it".
Agreed. However that is not the actual definition of a hobbyist of course...
All hobbyist means is:
Someone who pursues an activity outside one's regular occupation engaged
in especially for relaxation. (from "hobby" on m-w.com)
I guess I may not totally fit into this category either since I develop
software for a living too. However, programming started out as my hobby
when I got my first ZX81 at age 9. So I still see it as my hobby and do
a lot of development at home for _FUN_ and hence relaxation.
Cheers,
Kevin.
 

Re: Hobbyist Programmer

"JQP" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes:
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The definition was not mine but I do think that many Open Source
developers fit the model of "someone who works on software with no
intention of selling it".
That's not correct either. Consider RedHat. Consider Novell.
--
Chris (TeamB);
 

Re: Hobbyist Programmer

zedd writes:
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Worse: those DLLs have to be deployed by you as they aren't
part of the .Net core MS is including in the latest releases
and service packs of its O/Ses.
Which means you won't be developing your own assemblies. Afterall, your
assemblies are not shipped with Windows. If you do deploy your own
assemblies, then no problem deploying Borland's. Same routine, different
files.
From what I can tell, .NET installation is still separate and not part
of a service pack. Have not looked into XP SP2's contents. I recently
bought a notebook with XP. No .NET by default.
I believe it will be a while before the .NET libraries are de facto
standard in a majority of Windows installations. No .NET for you till then?
 

Re: Hobbyist Programmer

"Chris Uzdavinis (TeamB)" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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"JQP" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes:

>The definition was not mine but I do think that many Open Source
>developers fit the model of "someone who works on software with no
>intention of selling it".

That's not correct either. Consider RedHat. Consider Novell.
Read my statement again; I said "many", I did not say "all". An example or
two to the contrary does not invalidate what I said.
 

Re: Hobbyist Programmer

On 07/01/04, Kevin said:
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Really? So for you a hobbyist is someone who works on software with
no intention of selling it EVER? I wonder how many of these types of
hobbyists exist. People, raise your hands and be counted! I've
never met this type of person personally... just curious.
You might consider the members of the open source movement, as well...
--
Bill
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"I cannot under-take to lay my finger on that article in the
Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on the
object of benevolence, the money of their constituents." -- James
Madison
 

Re: Hobbyist Programmer

On 07/01/04, Kevin said:
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So, by your definition all hobbyists are Open Source developers? I'm
quite sure that this is incorrect.
Review logic. He did imply that all open source developers are
hobbyists -- what other compensation do they receive, than satisfaction?
--
Bill
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"I cannot under-take to lay my finger on that article in the
Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on the
object of benevolence, the money of their constituents." -- James
Madison
 

Re: Hobbyist Programmer

"William Meyer" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>wrote in news:40e43ec8$1
@newsgroups.borland.com:
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what other compensation do they receive, than satisfaction?
Some pretty decent software?
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Iman