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2005-07-29 02:09:36 AM
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"John Kaster (Borland)" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes:
were (in no particular order):
* the perceived educational value that adoption would offer
* student (evaluations | reactions | requests)
* pressure from "above" -- administrators, etc.
(Though MS is pretty strong in this area already)
* things affecting their research and especially their grants
(MS may be involved here too)
* their own personal preferences or political interests
* "gifts"
There may be others, but these stood out as the big ones. I am not
sure which (if any) of them Borland is in a good position to use for
an "attack."
--
Chris (TeamB);
 

"John Kaster (Borland)" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
There is a book specifically about gaining the attention of prospective
buyers. See:
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--
Kirk Halgren
"Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so."
-- Bertrand Russell
 

"John Kaster (Borland)" wrote
available. They could do for professors and Delphi what they did for disk
jockeys and low flying records. ;-)
 

You wrote, "What do you think...?" Consider my explanation
below:
Make the begin and end
clauses look like this:
if (x = 40) {
y := 10;
}
Any programming language that bears some resemblance to C
gives an illusion of sophistication.
Compare the above syntax with:
if (x = 40) then
begin
y := 10;
end;
if the begin-end is changed to {} in Delphi 2006, you will
be surprised at how many programmers will be drawn to it.
While my suggestion may seem ridiculous, it
will change the perception of Delphi by those refusing to
use the language. Show the new structure to the professors
and see how they will embrace it: It looks like C, even
though it does not have the logical "==" equality sign!
Just look at the movies, any time they show a programmer
writing some codes, it is always C-like in structures!
Why not Delphi or Cobol structure? Go figure.
Gbenga
"John Kaster (Borland)" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes:

Kirk Halgren writes:
people. They're just not targetting college professors.
I was asking because I am interested in the responses that will be
provided here. I am hoping to stimulate some critical thinking.
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John Kaster (Borland) writes:
benefits in providing a class that teaches OO principles with something
like ECO.
Cheers,
Kevin.
 

John Kaster (Borland) writes:
 

Gbenga A{*word*73}la writes:
Cobol. It makes programming look difficult and somehow mystical to the
average joes and jills.
But every true professional knows that complexity of the profession does
not lie in the syntax of the programming language.
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John Kaster (Borland) writes:
be sought.
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Eric Schreiber writes:
of the context of school. Therefore I think its safe to say that
teachers could also be motivated with offers of free {*word*63}. :-)
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Chris Uzdavinis (TeamB) writes:
* The tools that are available. They must give assignments, and
computer labs usually have these tools.
* What the professor uses at work, if he/she is a professional
developer.
Students at graduate school usually can ask for a specific tools, while
the undergraduates simply were told what to use.
Wien.
 

Kevin Berry writes:
education faculty I presented ECO in C#Builder to at MS TechEd in
Dallas several years ago.
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Dave Nottage [TeamB] writes:
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John Kaster (Borland) writes:
can use it.
I honestly do not know how many people started their own business after
they graduated, I am sorry that I cannot support what I wrote here with
a scientific research. I know that no new employee can influence the
company to adopt a particular tool.
Right now, both Visual Studio and Delphi support C#, the language issue
is less relevant. I think what Kevin said about ECO is something that
makes a difference.
Wien.
 

Budget and cost to the students. A Delphi for dummies with
a included copy of Delphi Pro for education purposes for about
$25 for partnered institutions would do the trick. Free licenses
for the educational purposes and for the school to use for
their own development would work too.
This will never happen due to this is a long term strategy and
current Borland doesn't see long term on Delphi. I hope the
product is spun off.
I hope whom ever ends up with it will open source the VCL.
This way they can concentrate most of their efforts on the
IDE.
If I ever buy another version of Delphi, it will definitely
be the PRO version. I don't use any of the native
Delphi components any more. The quality is so low compared
to third parties, the Borland components aren't worth using.
Tom Miller