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Re: So, what's the verdict on Vista?


2007-10-10 04:34:16 PM
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Olivier Pons a écrit :
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Mac is like BMW or Mercedes for the cars : it is nice, really cool and
everything you want, but it is really, really, *really* expensive.
That is what I thought but when I tried to build a Winows laptop with a
similar spec to the Macbook Pro, I ended up with the Macbook costing
around ?000 and the Windows machine costing around ?700.
Add to that things like not having to buy Anti Virus and other utility
software, and I have found tha the TCO of a Mac is less still.
Joanna
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Re: So, what's the verdict on Vista?

"Nathanial Woolls" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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If he reinstalls Vista, he'll be back to a working Desktop in about 23
minutes (from my own timing/testing).
From my own timing/testing, it takes Vista this long to simply boot up! ;-)
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Re: So, what's the verdict on Vista?

"Marco van de Voort" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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On 2007-10-09, Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes:
>Nathanial Woolls writes:
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>>Vista forgetting your folder views is indeed annoying,
>
>Ah, so I am not the only one. After a while, most folders open in
>"pictures and videos" mode, until I reset that again.

Yes, me too.
Annoying, isn't it?
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Re: So, what's the verdict on Vista?

"Marco van de Voort" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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Another one in the file explorer. "backspace" is now more "explorer - back"
then guaranteed one level up.

I navigate a lot with keys, and it is _really_ annoying.
That one had me cursing for hours until I realised what it was doing.
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Re: So, what's the verdict on Vista?

"Joanna Carter [TeamB]" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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This is what I have found with my Macbook Pro; the difference being that I
*can* run Photoshop :-)
And I still have the option to run Windows XP (or whatever) under Parallels
or VMWare Fusion for all my development work under VS, Delphi,
So, what's it like, having only one arm and one leg? ... ;-)
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Re: So, what's the verdict on Vista?

"Joanna Carter [TeamB]" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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That is what I thought but when I tried to build a Winows laptop with a
similar spec to the Macbook Pro, I ended up with the Macbook costing around
?000 and the Windows machine costing around ?700.
Add to that things like not having to buy Anti Virus and other utility
software, and I have found tha the TCO of a Mac is less still.
My laptop, bought in January 2007, cost ?00 and it can do everything (I mean
everything!)
It has a built-in camera with microphone. It has Win XP Media Centre (latest
version) on it, which means I can burn DVD's straight out of the box with its
internal DVD writer and supplied software. I can hook it up to the TV and
"video" my Windows experience (all cables came supplied). It has wireless and
wired networking, and Bluetooth built-in. It has Core Duo processor, 1GB RAM
and 80 GB HD. It even has a multi-format media card reader. It had all of this
functionality and more working straight out of the box. All for ?00, now
that's what I call value for money. So, where you got ?700 from, I will never
know.
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Mark Jacobs
DK Computing
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Re: So, what's the verdict on Vista?

what make/model? Sounds like a good buy
Pete
"Mark Jacobs" <www.jacobsm.com/mjmsg.htm?BorlandNG>
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"Joanna Carter [TeamB]" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>wrote in
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>That is what I thought but when I tried to build a Winows
>laptop with a similar spec to the Macbook Pro, I ended up
>with the Macbook costing around ?000 and the Windows
>machine costing around ?700.
>Add to that things like not having to buy Anti Virus and
>other utility software, and I have found tha the TCO of a
>Mac is less still.

My laptop, bought in January 2007, cost ?00 and it can do
everything (I mean everything!)

It has a built-in camera with microphone. It has Win XP
Media Centre (latest version) on it, which means I can
burn DVD's straight out of the box with its internal DVD
writer and supplied software. I can hook it up to the TV
and "video" my Windows experience (all cables came
supplied). It has wireless and wired networking, and
Bluetooth built-in. It has Core Duo processor, 1GB RAM and
80 GB HD. It even has a multi-format media card reader. It
had all of this functionality and more working straight
out of the box. All for ?00, now that is what I call value
for money. So, where you got ?700 from, I will never know.
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Mark Jacobs
DK Computing
www.dkcomputing.co.uk

 

Re: So, what's the verdict on Vista?

"Dave White" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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"Dan Downs" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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>It gets easier and easier, but unfortunitly things change pretty quick so
>at times it can be a pain to stay on top of it all, well if you want
>bleeding edge.
Sounds just like Windows :)
I had trouble running the AMD 64-bit CD image of Kubuntu on an AMD64 processor
(the video broke up straight from the very first screen, so I couldn't read
it!). But the 32-bit Pent-up version worked! It was an average experience. It
still takes a while to boot, especially compared to the 2-beep sound of a BBC
B micro starting up. But I couldn't use half the features that made it
attractive to me, for example, the spinning cube desktops, and fluttery
windows. Oh well.
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Re: So, what's the verdict on Vista?

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From my own timing/testing, it takes Vista this long to simply boot up!
;-)
Have you downloaded the latest patch? Which allegedly fixes this. I
believe its KB941649.
Oliver Townshend
 

Re: So, what's the verdict on Vista?

"Pete Fraser" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>wrote in
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what make/model? Sounds like a good buy
Asus F3F T2250. That price excludes VAT at 17.5% and the model is no longer
available! Ain't I the lucky one!
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Re: So, what's the verdict on Vista?

"Oliver Townshend" <oliveratcodelegaldotcomdotau>writes
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>From my own timing/testing, it takes Vista this long to simply boot up! ;-)

Have you downloaded the latest patch? Which allegedly fixes this. I
believe its KB941649.
Thanks for that. However, why doesn't it auto-update itself with this patch?
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Mark Jacobs
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Re: So, what's the verdict on Vista?

"Bruno Fierens [tmssoftware.com]" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>wrote in
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one has to pay microsoft just to receive some frustration,
thank you microsoft
Boy, Bruno, I couldn't agree with you more. After spending several months
getting my new Vista computer configured just like I wanted it (could have
done it in a couple days with AlohaBob, but MS bought the company and
there's no version of it available that supports Vista), it ended up being
so unstable that I just couldn't use it for development and maintaining all
the company administrative stuff. I was so frustrated after wasting so much
time on it that I was throwing things around the house. My wife called
Microsoft and asked for Bill Gates to vent _her_ frustration. I was
laughing so hard at that, that the secretary that she got to talk to
probably couldn't hear what she had to say.... :^)
So far, Vista has cost me a lot of wasted time, and frustration. Now I'm
just gonna use it to test my software, and run XP under VMware for real
work.
Cheers,
Van Swofford
Tybee Jet Corp.
 

Re: So, what's the verdict on Vista?

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>It gets easier and easier, but unfortunitly things change pretty quick so
>at times it can be a pain to stay on top of it all, well if you want
>bleeding edge.
>

Sounds just like Windows :)
Updating is generally easier under windows though, esp. if you've built of a
lot of your linux setup from source. If you can do everything through rpms
then its not bad, but trying to mix the two can get weird. In another post I
mentioned my favorite linux box I had was based off of Redhat 5.2, I
manually upgraded to the 2.2 kernel along with all the needed libs, upgraded
X, tried several window managers, compiled pretty much everything. At that
point I was responsible for all updates, and grabbing new rpms for things I
recompiled myself either wasn't really an option or I just didn't know how
to make it all work. Later I installed Redhat 6 or 6.1 at work since I was
very familar with Redhat by then, and low and behold inet was changed to
xinet and my knowledge of configuring tcp services went back to almost zero
where before it was a 2 second job. Its more of those changes I am talking
about, xinet was probably just a better solution, I get that, but when
pieces like that get swapped out on you and its configuration is different
its hard to keep up. And the rate of change can be pretty quick sometimes,
its a love/hate thing, sometimes I just don't want to have to deal with it
and want the point and click. Windows on the other hand, so many things have
just stayed the same or close enough that the learning curve just isn't
there once you've been doing it awhile.
DD
 

Re: So, what's the verdict on Vista?

Not being a Mac or Ubutu user I am a bit confused ...
I would love to get away from M$ as my main OS ..
I am getting the impression that ..
Ubuntu and/or Mac OS X dont need antivirus ???
VMWare can run on either Ubuntu or Mac OS X ??
Wouldn't Win XP running on top of VMWare running on top of Ubuntu still need
antivirus ???
 

Re: So, what's the verdict on Vista?

"Olivier Pons" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>wrote in
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It's just because you've never tried Ubuntu.
I certainly have spend a lot of time on Ubuntu recently, then time to
repartition the drive.
I'm glad you and your Dad are happy, but I expect a *lot* more from my PC.
I think Linux is for two kinds of people - 1) Email/browser/Open Office
users who want an appliance and 2) Geeks who want to play with hard stuff.
Trouble is, I want more than group 1 but I am not in group 2.
As a developer, I found Linux a wasteland. I can not sell commercial software
to Linux users because they won't pay and there is no standard Linux. The
rich Windows API is not there - you have a bunch of separate programs
without the Windows integration.
Roger Lascelles