Re: Delphi 7 to D2007

Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]

Delphi Developer

Re: Delphi 7 to D2007

2007-12-05 01:26:47 AM
delphi115
IanH writes:

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>>While I don't have any internal information, I see several posters
>>in this newsgroup who haven't upgraded to the
>>"latest-and-greatest" version.
>
>And that is not a new phenomenon. I know people who still use Delphi
>3. That doesn't mean there are not a large number of people who
>have upgraded.

Strawman: not what I said.
Yes, it is what you said. You said "I see several posters in this

newsgroups who haven't upgraded to the "latest-and-greatest version". I
said that that is not a new phomenon. But what you see here is a VERY
small fraction of all Delphi users.
And you have no more access to the

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super-secret numbers than I do
Exactly. And that is why I don't make statements about the number of

people who upgraded. You did, however.
--
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]
"To iterate is human, to recurse divine." -- L. Peter Deutsch

Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]

Delphi Developer

2007-12-05 01:33:02 AM

Re: Delphi 7 to D2007

IanH writes:

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>>None of which was enough to tempt a large number if users to
>>upgrade.
>
>How would you know? Do you know something we don't know?

Apparently I do. I can manage to read accounts of projects +
programmers still using Delphi version 7 and below - not just here, in
this totally unrepresentative sample of above-averagely-interested
users. The tubes of the interweb are full of such tales.
So you go by anecdotal evidence? OK, if you think that makes sense...

go and have your opinion. But don't state it as fact, like you did.

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I do not doubt that CG have sold a large number of licenses of the
bug-ridden .NET-focused versions that have been produced over the last
few years.
So a large number of users was tempted after all?

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If you think otherwise, then IMO you are just kidding yourself.
I am not kidding anyone. I am merely questioning the validity of a

statement based on no data whatsoever. It may even be right, but it may
just as well be wrong. You don't know, and neither do I.
--
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]
"Finagle's Law of Dynamic Negatives: Anything that can go wrong,
will -- at the worst possible moment."

IanH

Delphi Developer

2007-12-05 04:07:23 PM

Re: Delphi 7 to D2007

Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] writes:

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IanH writes:

>>>While I don't have any internal information, I see several
>>>posters in this newsgroup who haven't upgraded to the
>>>"latest-and-greatest" version.
>>
>>And that is not a new phenomenon. I know people who still use
>>Delphi 3. That doesn't mean there are not a large number of
>>people who have upgraded.
>
>Strawman: not what I said.
Me: a large number of people have not upgraded.

You: unravel the double negative and you are talking about the number
who HAVE upgraded - which is not in dispute.
That is the strawman. I will just suppose you misunderstood.

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And you have no more access to the
>super-secret numbers than I do

Exactly. And that is why I don't make statements about the number of
people who upgraded. You did, however.
Yes. it is what people do. Make our own inferences in the face of the

available, and then comment on it.
All you can do is state that there is no absolute information, so there
is by definition no way to make a judgement. Are you some sort of
solipsist?

IanH

Delphi Developer

2007-12-05 04:07:24 PM

Re: Delphi 7 to D2007

Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] writes:

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IanH writes:

>>>None of which was enough to tempt a large number if users to
>>>upgrade.
>>
>>How would you know? Do you know something we don't know?
>
>Apparently I do. I can manage to read accounts of projects +
>programmers still using Delphi version 7 and below - not just here,
>in this totally unrepresentative sample of
>above-averagely-interested users. The tubes of the interweb are
>full of such tales.

So you go by anecdotal evidence? OK, if you think that makes sense...
go and have your opinion. But don't state it as fact, like you did.
It's an opinion, with a high degree of confidence attached. This is not

a hobby for me. I have to make decisions for my company that fix our
plans for several years ahead. Mindless optimism is not a valid
strategy.

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>I do not doubt that CG have sold a large number of licenses of the
>bug-ridden .NET-focused versions that have been produced over the
>last few years.

So a large number of users was tempted after all?
I never claimed otherwise. Can you understand that?

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>If you think otherwise, then IMO you are just kidding yourself.

I am not kidding anyone. I am merely questioning the validity of a
statement based on no data whatsoever. It may even be right, but it
may just as well be wrong. You don't know, and neither do I.
Sources of information include every newsgroup that I see which is

frequented by Delphi users (not just CG); comments in blogs; polls on
3rd-party sites; comments from CG employees; official lists of
improvements to encourage people to upgrade. You have people here from
user groups: are you suggesting that they do not have a decent degree
of understanding of their own local environment? That the shared
experience here is not just non-representative, but meaningless?
You can parse sentences and demand proof of everything, but the world
will keep on turning.
I'm done.
Ian

Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]

Delphi Developer

2007-12-05 06:29:09 PM

Re: Delphi 7 to D2007

IanH writes:

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>So you go by anecdotal evidence? OK, if you think that makes
>sense... go and have your opinion. But don't state it as fact,
>like you did.

It's an opinion, with a high degree of confidence attached.
Then, perhaps, you should have stated it as opinion, and not as fact.

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Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]
"No one can earn a million dollars honestly."
-- William Jennings Bryan (1860-1925)