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Re: Borland Layoffs?


2003-12-23 04:10:53 AM
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On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 14:01:28 -0600, "Alessandro Federici"
<alef@remobjects[remove-this].com>writes:
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If I tell you my {*word*76} pressure wasn't high you will take that back? <G>
Probably, yes, but if you told me that, I would know you were lying. ;-)
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On 22 Dec 2003 11:48:19 -0700, "Craig Stuntz [TeamB]"
<XXXX@XXXXX.COM [a.k.a. vertexsoftware.com]>writes:
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- IOW that the folks working on the compiler (as opposed to
the IDE) did not work on C#Builder at all.
Danny's been quite clear about that. ;-)
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"Rain Bo" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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But not true. He made whatever committments he made in the Open Letter as
an
employee of Borland. Whoever succeeds him would have to stand by his
statements.
I doubt the Open Letter forms the basis of a legally binding contract
between Borland and its customers.
Dave
 

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The team working on C#Builder is +not+ the "same team" as the team
working on D8. There is a large overlap, but again, the teams are not
identical.
I don't get it.
One the one hand we are always told by TeamB that Borland has limited
resouces and can really only afford to work on one product release at the
time (remember that why we were told that an SP for Delphi 7 was out of the
question until all new products were out of the door).
On the other hand we are now told that Borland had the resources to simply
create a C#Builder team from scratch, not encroaching or poaching from any
other team (and if a team had to be poached from to do C#B, it would have
been the Delphi team). Where were all these C#Builder guys before ?{*word*154}
around the parking lot ?
Olivier
 

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On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 21:15:18 +0100, "Olivier Beltrami" <obeltrami at
wanadoo dot fr>writes:
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One the one hand we are always told by TeamB that Borland has limited
resouces and can really only afford to work on one product release at the
time (remember that why we were told that an SP for Delphi 7 was out of the
question until all new products were out of the door).
This is an imprecise quotation of what is normally said. I don't
recall anyone ever claiming that Borland can only work on one thing at
a time.
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On the other hand we are now told that Borland had the resources to simply
create a C#Builder team from scratch, not encroaching or poaching from any
other team (and if a team had to be poached from to do C#B, it would have
been the Delphi team). Where were all these C#Builder guys before ?{*word*154}
around the parking lot ?
And this is a gross misunderstanding of what is being discussed.
Nick Hodges - TeamB
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On 22-Dec-03, Nick Hodges (TeamB) said:
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Wow, that is the first time I have been accused of that around here. ;-)
Maybe he'll give you a plaque, or at least a certificate? <g>
--
Bill
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"You can not keep on doing things the old way and still get the benefits
of the new way." -- Thomas Sowell
 

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On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 21:25:29 +0100, "Olivier Beltrami" <obeltrami at
wanadoo dot fr>writes:
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Let's see if other users of this NG have the same misconceptions as I do.
Okay -- but I am not sure what that would prove. ;-)
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Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu writes:
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While that has been repeatedly said, I am of a different opinion.
Borland's dev team is not so big and they share the load for CB, C#,
Delphi etc. It took several months of resources and IMO Delphi should
have come FIRST, then C#.
I don't think it took several months of resources. Galileo was being
developed for Octane anyway, and the Delphi compiler was probably not
finished anyway.
--
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)
"A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems."
- Paul Erdos
 

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This is an imprecise quotation of what is normally said.
And this is a gross misunderstanding of what is being discussed.
Let's see if other users of this NG have the same misconceptions as I do.
Olivier
 

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Jimmy [Used-Disks] writes:
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>What would they have been doing in the meantime while waiting for the
>DCCIL compiler to be done?

Improving the IDE.
What makes you think they haven't? Their experiecne with integrating the
Windows Forms designer for C# probably made the integration for Delphi
very simple.
Yes, it may have cost some time, but not nearly what others say it is,
especially since they couldn't do a lot as long as the Delphi compiler
was still being developed. But they had the C# compiler, and integrating
that was a good exercise for Delphi 8.
--
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)
"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him
absolutely no good."
- Samuel Johnson (1709-1784)
 

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At BorCon Dave Fuller, and other Borland employees stated that there
would be a Delphi Win32 update. Playing with these rumors is just
spreading FUD.
Robert Love
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:30:56 +0300, "Andrew Rybenkov"
<XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes:
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>He made whatever committments he made in the Open Letter as an employee of Borland. Whoever succeeds him would have>
to stand by his statements.

Yes, - normally, yes. Still there is the opportunity:

Fuller can say that Thornhill did it on his own risk, and using his (Thornhill's) authority, published the letter on the
site
(in contrary to Fuller's restriction). that is why he was dismissed.
T. could sue later F., but if there were not written orders, his chances are mythical.
Or he would not sue just because it was a part of "farewell agreement".

(Those are, of course, my pure speculations, not that I know something about the matter.)
 

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Alessandro Federici writes:
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"Nick Hodges (TeamB)" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
news:XXXX@XXXXX.COM...
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>What would they have been doing in the meantime while waiting for the
>DCCIL compiler to be done?

I was under the assumption code is portable, so what stopped them to
use Delphi 7 or, now you made me think of this, to fix Delphi 7 bugs? <G>
Heheh, did you notice that C#Builder .bpls all have names ending on 71?
Guess what that means.
--
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)
"It is much more comfortable to be mad and know it, than to be sane and
have one's doubts."
- G. B. Burgin
 

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Robert Love writes:
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>Indeed... C# Builder is more than a new IDE. Borland had to add syntax
>highlighting, code insight, and other C# specific things which will
>not help

FYI, Delphi 7 has C# Syntax Highlighting.
Indeed.
--
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)
"UNIX is simple. It just takes a genius to understand its simplicity."
-- Dennis Ritchie
 

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Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu writes:
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Borland's team is not that big - and the team that does C++, C# and
Delphi are the same team.
No, not anymore. There is a new C++ BU, producing CBX.
--
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)
"The man who goes alone can start today; but he who travels with another
must wait till that other is ready."
-- Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)
 

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Alessandro Federici writes:
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With just the same amount of developers it would have come out earlier.
Only if you assume that resources were drawn from the Delphi compiler
team to produce C#Builder. I doubt it.
--
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)
"For centuries, theologians have been explaining the unknowable in terms
of the-not-worth-knowing."
-- Henry Louis Mencken (1880-1956)