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Re: Borland Delphi + 64Bits


2005-03-29 09:56:13 AM
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"Michael Anonymous" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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John Jacobson writes:

>>I was speaking of 32 bit windows. Not the CPU. We have had 32 bit CPU's
>>now
>>for decades.. So it is the same here.. But it is changing, and 64 bit XP is
>>on
>>it's way...
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>Sorry, but significant demand for 32-bit software did not arise until
>years after the first 32-bit Windows operating system either. NT was out
>for quite a while before 32-bit dev tools became mainstream.

They didn't have the internet back then either.
I'm sorry but back 'in the days' people had
to wait forever to actually see certain 32 bit software sold in
their local store.
Good grief! Things have changed!
Now you can start downloading 64 bit software online almost immediately
after purchasing that new computer 64 bit computer.
HUGE NEW MARKET TREND.
Nope, same old cost of change. Afterall, it wasn't the speed at which
software could be acquired that made it take almost a decade for 32-bit
software to catch on. Afterall, it did not take a decade for the average PC
user to find and locate a vendor or store that sold software. It took almost
a decade for the average user to start buying 32-bit software from those
vendors and stores.
Listen sonny, there is nothing new under the sun. It will always take years
for any technology to catch on, no matter what the delivery mechanism. This
has to do with economics. It simply makes no economic sense for firms to
instantly replace what currently works as soon as it becomes physically
possible to do so.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
 
 

Re: Borland Delphi + 64Bits

"Michael Anonymous" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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It's actually a very bad example since Borland doesn't develop for the
Palm OS.
And there is no Palm OS Delphi.
Dude, take a course in logic. You're embarrassing yourself.
 

Re: Borland Delphi + 64Bits

"Michael Anonymous" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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People wanted 32bit software when a 32bit Windows came out.
No they didn't. When Windows 95 was released, it had been preceded in the
prior years by OS/2 and several versions of NT, yet most software being sold
in 1995 was still 16-bit.
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If this trend continues,
they behave the same way for 64bit Windows.
Now, that is certainly not going by the gut,
but rather by observing trends in the market place.
If they behave the same way, Borland won't have to worry about missing out
on profits from a D64 for at least half a decade.
Look, it is obvious from your posts that you weren't around in the days of
OS/2 and NT 3.5, or you'd know these things.
 

Re: Borland Delphi + 64Bits

Michael Anonymous <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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They didn't have the internet back then either.
They also didn't have Britney Spears either. Guess we all just sat around in
silence looking at blank monitors back then.
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Re: Borland Delphi + 64Bits

Nick Hodges [TeamB] writes:
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Parallel example: Palm OS. There are what, millions of PalmOS-based
devices out there, yet the market for Palm OS development tools is
really small.
In my mind, one of the reason of why there is no or small market for
Palm OS is because it is hard to develop for it.
I think one key for a platform to be a successful platform is the
availability of the developement tools and how well developers are
supported.
It is easier to find applications or business that use Pocket PC rather
than PalmOS or BlackBerry. I think the development tools is one of the
reason.
Speculation, if there was a really good support for Palm OS developer,
probably there will be greater market for Palm OS.
It is Chicken and egg.
Wien.
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Re: Borland Delphi + 64Bits

Dave White wrote in <424883c5$XXXX@XXXXX.COM>:
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So are you saying that everybody should go out and buy a Ferrari, or
that people really don't care if it is the fastest thing out there so
long as it does the job?
Sorry, I don't see the relevance in what you responded with.
Will
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Re: Borland Delphi + 64Bits

Jim Cooper wrote in <42489827$XXXX@XXXXX.COM>:
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Actually, many people don't consider that very much when buying a car.
Odd, I have yet to meet /anyone/ who doesn't at least *ask* what the gas
mileage is on a car before purchasing it.
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And you are assuming way too much knowledge on the part of most
users, IME :-)
And I think you're assuming way too little.
Will
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Re: Borland Delphi + 64Bits

John Jacobson wrote in <42483555$XXXX@XXXXX.COM>:
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Sorry, but significant demand for 32-bit software did not arise until
years after the first 32-bit Windows operating system either. NT was
out for quite a while before 32-bit dev tools became mainstream.
Sorry, you were wrong the last time we had this discussion and you're
still wrong now. I do like how you keep insisting that you're right
though, it is almost cute.
I'll say it as plain as I can: you have no idea what you're talking
about.
Will
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Re: Borland Delphi + 64Bits

Captain Jake wrote in <4248b5b9$XXXX@XXXXX.COM>:
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Nope, same old cost of change. Afterall, it wasn't the speed at which
software could be acquired that made it take almost a decade for
32-bit software to catch on.
Please stop misstating things you know to be wrong. You've been told
why this statement is wrong and yet you persist in restating it each
and every time this discussion begins anew-- how many times do you need
to be shown you're wrong before you will begin to remember it the next
time?
Will
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Re: Borland Delphi + 64Bits

Paul Dolen wrote in <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>:
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>Some data types change size in 64 bit platforms
>(Pointer becomes 8 bytes); some do not (Integer stays 4 bytes).

Just a simple question, why aren't integers 8 bytes in a 64 bit
platform?
32-bit integer arithmetic is still the most optimal on x64 processors.
(64-bit arithmetic requires an additional byte of machine code per
arithmetic operation, so 64-bit arithmetic is inherently larger). That
being said, 64-bit arithmetic on x64 is still a LOT faster than 64-bit
arithmetic on x86.
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Re: Borland Delphi + 64Bits

"Will DeWitt Jr." <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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Jim Cooper wrote in <42489827$XXXX@XXXXX.COM>:

>Actually, many people don't consider that very much when buying a car.

Odd, I have yet to meet /anyone/ who doesn't at least *ask* what the gas
mileage is on a car before purchasing it.

Well, you haven't met me personally, but if meeting online counts, you've
just met your first <G>I don't remember ever asking what a car's MPG is
before buying - gas is SO much cheaper over here than it was when I lived in
the UK that it is completely irrelevant to my buying decision. Although the
way gas is going up now, when I but my next car later this year, I probably
will be taking gas consumption into account.
 

Re: Borland Delphi + 64Bits

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In my mind, one of the reason of why there is no or small market for
Palm OS is because it is hard to develop for it.
It's not that hard :-) And we were talking about the dev tools market
for the PalmOS, not the market for the PalmOS.
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I think one key for a platform to be a successful platform is the
availability of the developement tools and how well developers are
supported.
To some extent. However Palm used to own the PDA market with worse tools
than are available now. These things are subject to fashion like
everything else.
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It is easier to find applications or business that use Pocket PC rather
than PalmOS or BlackBerry. I think the development tools is one of the
reason.
The other is that you're looking in the wrong place for the applications
:-) There are far more apps for the PalmOS than PocketPC, and hardly any
at all for the Blackberry. It is only recently that Blackberry have
opened up their API. And I am not aware of any particularly capable dev
tools for that platform.
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Speculation, if there was a really good support for Palm OS developer,
probably there will be greater market for Palm OS.
It was used as an example of a developer tools market, not an OS market.
Cheers,
Jim Cooper
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Re: Borland Delphi + 64Bits

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Fine. That means there *might* be a market for Borland in, say, two
years from now. OTOH, people might be slow upgrading their hardware and
software to 64 bit, which means the market might wait a little longer.
You mean Borland could do nothing for two years and come out
with a first-class, robust 64bit compiler out of the blue
at the last minute?
Eric
 

Re: Borland Delphi + 64Bits

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Odd, I have yet to meet /anyone/ who doesn't at least *ask* what the gas
mileage is on a car before purchasing it.
I didn't :-) I didn't ask what the top speed was either.
Even if people do ask (or get told), hardly anyone makes car purchase
decisions that way.
With software it is a different sort of market though. Most Delphi
developers are not in the business of providing shrink-wrapped software
(or whatever you call the net delivered equivalent), which is the
nearest equivalent.
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And I think you're assuming way too little.
Nah, I have just had to deal with less capable users than you :-)
Cheers,
Jim Cooper
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Re: Borland Delphi + 64Bits

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It will drive the sales, but I am not so sure it will be so quickly. Many
young people I know prefer specialized hardware, like PS2 or the like,
some of which is already 64 bit or 128 bit.
Actually now, these aren't the same bits, you're mixing up memory
bus width with CPU registry width (or the P3 with SSE could already
be considered to be a 128bit CPU).
Eric