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Re: A Turbo Delphi question ...


2006-08-11 04:56:00 AM
delphi64
For the IDE, yes. For your Win32 VCL (Turbo Delphi and Turbo C++)
applications, no.
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"Ted" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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Hello all,

I have a simple question for all the "turbo" insiders out there ...

Will Turbo Delphi require the .NET framework to run ?

Ted

 
 

Re: A Turbo Delphi question ...

As i understood, there will be a win32 version alone, without the need of
.Net Framework.
"Ted" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>escribi?en el mensaje
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Hello all,

I have a simple question for all the "turbo" insiders out there ...

Will Turbo Delphi require the .NET framework to run ?

Ted

 

Re: A Turbo Delphi question ...

As Allen said:
"For the IDE, yes. For your Win32 VCL (Turbo Delphi and Turbo C++)
applications, no."
Zoboo writes:
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As i understood, there will be a win32 version alone, without the need of
.Net Framework.


"Ted" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>escribi?en el mensaje
news:XXXX@XXXXX.COM...

>Hello all,
>
>I have a simple question for all the "turbo" insiders out there ...
>
>Will Turbo Delphi require the .NET framework to run ?
>
>Ted
>
>



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Re: A Turbo Delphi question ...

In article <44db9d81$XXXX@XXXXX.COM>, "Zoboo" <shereshevsky at
hotmail dot com>says...
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As i understood, there will be a win32 version alone, without the need of
.Net Framework.
No - the IDE will still require the .Net framework.
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Jolyon Smith
 

Re: A Turbo Delphi question ...

"Allen Bauer" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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For the IDE, yes. For your Win32 VCL (Turbo Delphi and Turbo C++)
applications, no.

Which version of the .NET framework will be required?
 

Re: A Turbo Delphi question ...

Chris Burrows writes:
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Which version of the .NET framework will be required?
Same as BDS2006, version 1.1
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Nick Hodges
Delphi/C# Product Manager - DevCo
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Re: A Turbo Delphi question ...

The Win32 version doesn't require .NET at all in your applications - in fact
it doesn't support .NET development.... however the BDS/Delphi IDE on which
the Turbo's are based has a few features that are coded in C#, and thus even
though your app doesn't need it, those features do...
FYI, the IDE is a Win32 app, that has a few .NET built features. So it is a
Hybrid, so to speak. The .NET runtime is about 23mb - so it add's about 23mb
(or 5 average itunes or mp3 songs worth) to your development footprint. It
adds 0mb (or no itunes or mp3 songs worth) to your deployed app footprint...
still good ole standalone exe's
-m
"Zoboo" <shereshevsky at hotmail dot com>writes
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As i understood, there will be a win32 version alone, without the need of
.Net Framework.
 

Re: A Turbo Delphi question ...

Michael sayz:
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The Win32 version doesn't require .NET at all in your applications - in
fact it doesn't support .NET development.... however the BDS/Delphi IDE on
which the Turbo's are based has a few features that are coded in C#, and
thus even though your app doesn't need it, those features do...
Can you tell us which features of the IDE depend on .NET? I know about
Refractoring and Together. Is there anything else?
 

Re: A Turbo Delphi question ...

Hello Allen,
Why you havn't '(Borland)' or '(Borland/DevCo)' sign on your post just like other Borland staff?
Maybe this hints YOUR ROADMAP? :)
Best Regards
Turbo Man
 

Re: A Turbo Delphi question ...

Michael Swindell (Borland) writes:
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The .NET runtime is about 23mb - so it
add's about 23mb (or 5 average itunes or mp3 songs worth) to your
development footprint. It adds 0mb (or no itunes or mp3 songs worth)
to your deployed app footprint... still good ole standalone exe's
Or a little over 1 hour and 15 minutes on a phone line. Sure, most
users do have broadband these days, but tens of MB is still getting
frowned upon.
Delphi's main attractiveness is that it allows you to create lean and
mean applications without any .NET dependencies. This point is
significantly harder to get across if the Delphi IDE itself contains
inefficient bloat like Together, an old version of the .NET framework
and J#.
I tell people to use Delphi to create fast and small apps and the first
thing they see is Delphi wanting to install J#? J what?
You are basicly saying: Yeah sure Delphi is bloat, but it allows you
create applications without bloat. Confusing.
Jan Derk
 

Re: A Turbo Delphi question ...

"Jan Derk" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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Or a little over 1 hour and 15 minutes on a phone line.
If you are ready to download delphi itself (I guess 300 MB or so) by a phone
line, then 323 MB is probably also OK.
Regards
Uffe
 

Re: A Turbo Delphi question ...

lhaymehr writes:
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Can you tell us which features of the IDE depend on .NET? I know
about Refractoring and Together. Is there anything else?
Get IsDelphi from CodeCentral. It searches directories and lists any
applications written in Delphi, BCB or Delphi.Net. There is also an
option to list all managed assemblies, not just ones written in Delphi.
Point this at the BDS directory and you can make an educated guess
about what functionality is in some of the assemblies from their names.
cc.borland.com/Item.aspx
There are other ways to recognize Delphi applications here:
delphi.wikia.com/wiki/Determine_Delphi_Application
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Bruce McGee
Glooscap Software
 

Re: A Turbo Delphi question ...

Jan Derk writes:
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Or a little over 1 hour and 15 minutes on a phone line. Sure, most
users do have broadband these days, but tens of MB is still getting
frowned upon.
Anyone downloading a modern IDE over a phone line is in for a long wait
no matter what. If they're that concerned about the extra 75 minutes
for the .NET, they could go somewhere with broadband and a burner, and
save themselves all kinds of time.
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Delphi's main attractiveness is that it allows you to create lean and
mean applications without any .NET dependencies. This point is
significantly harder to get across if the Delphi IDE itself contains
inefficient bloat like Together, an old version of the .NET framework
and J#.
I don't think people generally make that association. Powerful tools
come in large packages. that is widely accepted and understood. And
while some folks insist in clinging to the "I hate .NET" mindset, most
reasonable computer enthusiasts have long since figured out that it is a
one-shot install, and not a big deal.
 

Re: A Turbo Delphi question ...

Why you havn't '(Borland)' or '(Borland/DevCo)' sign on your post just
like other Borland staff?
Maybe this hints YOUR ROADMAP? :)
I do. See below ;-)
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Allen Bauer
DevCo Chief Scientist
Borland^H^H^H^H^H^H^HDevCo Software Corporation.
blogs.borland.com/abauer
 

Re: A Turbo Delphi question ...

he is talking about "Allen Bauer (Borland/DevCo)" ;o)
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I do. See below ;-)

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DevCo Chief Scientist
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