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Re: ANN: Next RTC Competition Event


2006-03-14 03:13:52 AM
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At 12:01:17, 13.03.2006, Holger Flick writes:
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Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] writes:
>Announcements of such kind should only be made here, though. I
>cancelled it in non-tech.

1. it is related to Delphi
It is a product adverti{*word*224}t. This is the only appropriate place for
that.
You may want to discuss this, but this is not debatable. If you really
think it should change, take it up with Borland. I personally don't think
it should change, but my influence on this is very minor.
See point 11 of the guidelines:
info.borland.com/newsgroups/guide.html
--
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] rvelthuis.de/
"If you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you."
- Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900)
 
 

Re: ANN: Next RTC Competition Event

"Uffe Kousgaard" writes:
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Don't tell me you are not making this competition because of the
advertising
effect / cheap labour? I have myself done the same stuff previously with a
Christmas competition with something to win. And I did that because of the
advertising effect. Sure you do too.
See? that is the hos(pi)tality I am talking about. Looks like we can not do
anything here without having at least a few fingers pointed at us,
screaming: "He just wants to sell you something!" or "He just wants to rip
you off!"
I know that any kind of an announcement *will* drive potential customers to
our web pages, but that is not the reason we are organizing this competition.
Frankly speaking, if I just wanted to make an adverti{*word*224}t, all I need to
do is offer a discount. There's no need for me to spend my own money and go
through all the trouble of organizing a competition if I want to get more
sales.
But, since I am more than happy with how RTC SDK components have been selling
in the past few months, I want to do something for the great and supporting
RTC community. So, I am organizing this competition event and giving away
some small prizes, which are not more than my small tokens of appreciation.
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And please stop the "hostility" nonsense - I am just being realistic.
That's no nonsense.
You may not be aware of your hostile remarks and implications, because it's
became a habit here, to which I have also gotten used to (having been attacked
for no reason very often). But, there's really no need for this. If you're
not interested in this competition event, be so kind and ignore it. You may
also put me in your own black ignore list if you are annoyed by my posts, I
sure won't mind.
Best Regards,
Danijel Tkalcec - Team RTC
www.realthinclient.org
 

Re: ANN: Next RTC Competition Event

"Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]" writes:
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It is a product adverti{*word*224}t. This is the only appropriate place for
that.

You may want to discuss this, but this is not debatable. If you really
think it should change, take it up with Borland. I personally don't think
it should change, but my influence on this is very minor.
No worries, Rudy.
I don't mind my posts being canceled :o)
Keep up the good work!
Best Regards,
Danijel Tkalcec - Team RTC
 

Re: ANN: Next RTC Competition Event

Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] writes:
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It is a product adverti{*word*224}t. This is the only appropriate place for
that.
I really never thought of that. Honestly. I simply saw the fact that
somebody takes the time to hold a competition in the DELPHI community.
But I accept that it might be interpret that way.
--
Holger
Blog: www.flickdotnet.de
 

Re: ANN: Next RTC Competition Event

At 17:40:17, 13.03.2006, Danijel Tkalcec writes:
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"Uffe Kousgaard" writes:
>Don't be foolish, of course it is advertising. Why do you think
>Danijel used "ANN:" in the subject title?

"ANN" stands for announcement, not for advertising.
It was an announcement about a competition used for advertising purposes.
Same thing, really, as if Coke announced a new competition for the best
drink mix recipe using Coke. <g>
--
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] rvelthuis.de/
"Hell is a half-filled auditorium."
- Robert Frost (1874-1963)
 

Re: ANN: Next RTC Competition Event

"Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]" writes:
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It was an announcement about a competition used for advertising purposes.

Same thing, really, as if Coke announced a new competition for the best
drink mix recipe using Coke. <g>
I don't know of a free Coke version (there is a free RTC SDK version), nor
do I see Coke doing anything to encourage people "drinking" that free
version. But still, it is your right to interpret this as you see fit and
I'm not in a position to complain about a canceled post. You have saved my
ass a number of times in the past, so I owe you more than one ;)
So, as Borland Newsgroups admin, it is your right to interpret any
announcement any way you like. And since you interpreted this announcement
as advertising, it was your right to cancel it wherever you think it was
misplaced. In any case, it looks like you're not the only one who thinks of
this as commercial adverti{*word*224}t.
I just hope that some developers will find enough free time to participate
in this competition, since I think this could be a start of an interesting
series of events, not only a failed experiment. But, at the end, it all
comes down to time and how much someone is able or willing to invest into
doing "something useless".
Best Regards,
Danijel Tkalcec - Team RTC
www.realthinclient.org
 

Re: ANN: Next RTC Competition Event

At 01:07:43, 14.03.2006, Danijel Tkalcec writes:
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"Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]" writes:
>It was an announcement about a competition used for advertising
>purposes.
>
>Same thing, really, as if Coke announced a new competition for the
>best drink mix recipe using Coke. <g>

I don't know of a free Coke version (there is a free RTC SDK version),
nor do I see Coke doing anything to encourage people "drinking" that
free version.
Well, I don't know why you start the competition, but it would be foolish
if you did it for no good purpose at all. So, in the end, I guess you are
seeing a commercial advantage in it.
--
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] rvelthuis.de/
"The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who
cannot read them."
-- Mark Twain (1835-1910)
 

Re: ANN: Next RTC Competition Event

"Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]" writes:
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Well, I don't know why you start the competition, but it would be foolish
if you did it for no good purpose at all. So, in the end, I guess you are
seeing a commercial advantage in it.
Maybe I am not that money-oriented to need a commercial reason.
Well ... the reason I am organizing this competition is because I like to see
what a creative mind is capable of. In my school days, I absolutely loved
competitions and I can imagine that there might be a few developers
interested in some friendly public competition events. I think it wouldn't
hurt the Delphi community if there were more such events.
A potential customer base for such a product is too small to make it
affordable as a stand-alone package, especially in a strong competition like
kbmMW, ASTA, RemObjects (which are all excellent products, each in it is own
way). But, we still get enough money to allow organizing small events like
this competition, pay the costs produced by web hosting and buy some
equipment (like the PC farm - Test LAN), while all the money needed for
living comes from other sources :o)
Best Regards,
Danijel Tkalcec - Team RTC
 

Re: ANN: Next RTC Competition Event

At 14:02:01, 14.03.2006, Danijel Tkalcec writes:
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"Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]" writes:
>Well, I don't know why you start the competition, but it would be
>foolish if you did it for no good purpose at all. So, in the end, I
>guess you are seeing a commercial advantage in it.

Maybe I am not that money-oriented to need a commercial reason.
Well, even if people from JEDI were to make an announcement about one of
their (FREE) third party products, they would have to do it here. I
already pointed to the relevant guidelines.
--
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] rvelthuis.de/
"A lady came up to me on the street, pointed at my suede jacket and
said, "Don't you know a cow was {*word*190}ed for that jacket?" I said
"I didn't know there were any witnesses. Now I will have to kill you
too"." -- George Carlin
 

Re: ANN: Next RTC Competition Event

"Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]" writes:
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Well, even if people from JEDI were to make an announcement about one of
their (FREE) third party products, they would have to do it here. I
already pointed to the relevant guidelines.
As I already said, I don't have a problem with that. But, I would still like to
have a way of getting the word about this competition out. There's no point
in organizing a competition if there are no participants. So ... does anyone
have an idea where an announcement about a competition event would be
welcome and hopefuly visible by a number of Delphi developers?
Thank you :o)
Best Regards,
Danijel Tkalcec - Team RTC
 

Re: ANN: Next RTC Competition Event

Danijel,
| In my school days, I absolutely loved competitions and I can imagine
| that there might be a few developers interested in some friendly
| public competition events. I think it wouldn't hurt the Delphi
| community if there were more such events.
Back in the old(er) days of Compuserve CLM/SDForum, Where TeamB hung
out (before Delphi, in the early 1990's), we used to have "Assembly
Challenges." Where a functionality was defined and we users used to
submit our personal attempts at minimizing things like RAM usage and
execution speed written in assembly code. It was fun. Although not
too many people contributed solutions (Mostly "the usual suspects." ;-)
many people lurked and commented. That old environment seems to me was
quite a bit more "congenial" than today's busy newsgroups
environment(s).
--
Q
03/14/2006 11:41:38
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Re: ANN: Next RTC Competition Event

At 19:40:06, 14.03.2006, Danijel Tkalcec writes:
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"Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]" writes:
>Well, even if people from JEDI were to make an announcement about one
>of their (FREE) third party products, they would have to do it here. I
>already pointed to the relevant guidelines.

As I already said, I don't have a problem with that. But, I would still
like to have a way of getting the word about this competition out.
You do: on your website, here, and if you have your own newsgroups or a
blog, there too.
--
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] rvelthuis.de/
"Time is the best teacher; Unfortunately it kills all its students!"
-- bumper sticker
 

Re: ANN: Next RTC Competition Event

"Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]" writes:
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>As I already said, I don't have a problem with that. But, I would still
>like to have a way of getting the word about this competition out.

You do: on your website, here, and if you have your own newsgroups or a
blog, there too.
I guess, that will have to do. <snif>After all, how hard can it be to find
a few "volunteers" out of several million Delphi developers World-wide?
<snif, snif>... <desperate>Anybody? Please ... pleeeeaaaaaseeee join this
competition event!!! </desperate>
This is going a bit off-topic now ;-)
<desperate>Is anyone here brave enough to write something that would be
evaluated by the rest of the Delphi community and (at the same time) compete
against a few other brave developers? If so, please consider joining this
small competition. If there won't be at least 3 participants signing-up for
this event until May 15th 2006, I promisse you this: I will never ever
mention the word competition in combination with the word event again!
</desperate>
Was that desperate enough,
for someone to sign-in out of pitty? =:o]
Best Regards,
Danijel Tkalcec - Team RTC
 

Re: ANN: Next RTC Competition Event

"Q Correll" writes:
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Back in the old(er) days of Compuserve CLM/SDForum, Where TeamB hung
out (before Delphi, in the early 1990's), we used to have "Assembly
Challenges." Where a functionality was defined and we users used to
submit our personal attempts at minimizing things like RAM usage and
execution speed written in assembly code. It was fun. Although not
too many people contributed solutions (Mostly "the usual suspects." ;-)
many people lurked and commented. That old environment seems to me was
quite a bit more "congenial" than today's busy newsgroups
environment(s).
Yep. Today, it looks like everything is about work, work, work ... and then
you lie down and die. Where's the fun in this? I know I used to spend 16
hours a day sitting in front of my PC, coding stuff that nobody really
needed, but it was fun! How about getting some of those fun aspects from
those old days back?
Here's a challenge: let's forget about the requirements of this competition
to use the RealThinClient SDK components. If you think you can do better
with something else, apply for the competition and state which components
you'd like to use instead. The only requirement is that those components are
available in an Open Source version, or included with Delphi Professional.
Best Regards,
Danijel Tkalcec - Team RTC
 

Re: ANN: Next RTC Competition Event

Danijel,
| How about getting some of those fun aspects from those old days back?
Since I have retired from the corporate rat-race, that is how I now
"work." <g>
| Here's a challenge:
That sounds like a real challenge!
I'd join in, but I don't "do" Internet or web stuff.
--
Q <just keeping a hand in the pot>
03/14/2006 16:01:24
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