Re: It's... the Unofficial D9 Feature Voting Awareness Week! (UD9FVAW)

John Kaster (Borland)

Delphi Developer

Re: It's... the Unofficial D9 Feature Voting Awareness Week! (UD9FVAW)

2004-08-28 01:48:46 AM
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Don in <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes:

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To the detriment of your primary feedback mechanism?
Again, I think you're seeing something no one else is.

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John Kaster (Borland)

Delphi Developer

2004-08-28 01:55:13 AM

Re: It's... the Unofficial D9 Feature Voting Awareness Week! (UD9FVAW)

Don in <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes:

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Well that makes two of us then, because I find your reaction equally
puzzling and a little insulting.
I'm sorry you find my inability to understand your conclusion

insulting. I simply don't understand it.

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However I find the idea of creating a secondary list (which has to be
different from the original otherwise what is the point) rather odd.
It really seems like you're missing context here, or I am totally

missing what you're talking about. What "secondary list" are you
talking about? The feature requests first posted? The bug report list
that came afterward.

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A side effect of doing so must be admitting that QC has some
significant weaknesses.
I am quite sure I see far more "weaknesses" in QC, which are really

unimplemented features, opportunities, or items on our todo list, in QC
than anyone else. It will continue to improve. The data mining and
prioritizing potential of it is primarily untapped right now.
What is not clear to me is why asking someone for their specific list
of QC bugs is a bad thing for Borland to do, with rampant ironic
portents.

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Otherwise why would you need it? Why couldn't
you obtain the info direct from QC?
Because the feature of providing a named list has not been implemented

yet. When it is, everyone will be able to create their own list of pet
bugs or feature requests and provide the name/link to the list to
someone else for discussion purposes.
--
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Features and bugs: qc.borland.com
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Max

Delphi Developer

2004-08-28 03:15:19 AM

Re: It's... the Unofficial D9 Feature Voting Awareness Week! (UD9FVAW)

<noirony>
D9 will succeed ;-)
</noirony>
"Allen Bauer" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>schrieb im Newsbeitrag

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>are you working on Delphi Win32 or on DotNet only ???

Nice try...;-) Steve works on Delphi... and so do I.

--
Allen Bauer
Delphi/C#Builder Principal Architect
Borland Software Corporation.
blogs.borland.com/abauer

Jan Derk

Delphi Developer

2004-08-28 07:14:10 AM

Re: It's... the Unofficial D9 Feature Voting Awareness Week! (UD9FVAW)

John Kaster (Borland) writes:

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I had a feeling you would end up asking me to do this.

If I have time, I will look at QC bug reports. Until after September
15th, I have no time.
If it was so obvious for you too then why not spend 1 minute and do it?

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Let me give you this point to ponder (even though I know there are some
here who will misinterpret it and accuse me of providing lousy customer
service): Do you ask the civil engineer(s) who design and build the
roads you use to drive your car for you, too?

Please think about the question for a little while before deciding to
be offended by it ;)
Don't worry. I am not easily offended, but to answer your question: If

the engineer created the road so only he and his friends can drive it,
then yes I'd ask him for a ride, since that is my only option.
Especially, if I tried to ride the road before and failed to do so.
You might have noticed that there is no way to reopen a mistakenly
closed bug report. I have tried to request reopening these very bugs
some time ago, but with very limited success:
tinyurl.com/3zvtj
Please enlighten me and let me know what is the correct way to get these
bugs reopened?
Jan Derk

Dennis Landi

Delphi Developer

2004-08-28 09:02:43 AM

Re: It's... the Unofficial D9 Feature Voting Awareness Week! (UD9FVAW)

"Jan Derk" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes news:XXXX@XXXXX.COM...

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Don't worry. I am not easily offended, but to answer your question: If
the engineer created the road so only he and his friends can drive it,
then yes I'd ask him for a ride, since that is my only option.
Especially, if I tried to ride the road before and failed to do so.

yes, but if you give him a fish you feed him for a day;

If you TEACH him to fish you feed him for a life time.
;-)
-d

Oliver Townshend

Delphi Developer

2004-08-28 04:03:33 PM

Re: It's... the Unofficial D9 Feature Voting Awareness Week! (UD9FVAW)

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yes, but if you give him a fish you feed him for a day;

If you TEACH him to fish you feed him for a life time.
Until we run out of fish.

Oliver Townshend

Steve Trefethen (Borland R&D)

Delphi Developer

2004-08-29 04:22:57 AM

Re: It's... the Unofficial D9 Feature Voting Awareness Week! (UD9FVAW)

Thomas Miller writes:

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On top of that, I have offered all of dbExpressPlus to Borland. There
are many, many, bug fixes in the open source project as well as
enhancements.
Hi Thomas,

Since I don't work on the DB area I am (unfortunately) not familiar
with dbExpressPlus so can you either direct me to anyone here at Borland
who already knows about it or email me some more details and I'll
definately raise the issue.
My email is strefethen at borland dot com.
Thanks
--
-Steve
Delphi.NET/C#Builder R&D
Borland Software Corporation
homepages.borland.com/strefethen
BorCon September 11-15, 2004
San Jose, California
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John Kaster (Borland)

Delphi Developer

2004-08-29 11:54:04 AM

Re: It's... the Unofficial D9 Feature Voting Awareness Week! (UD9FVAW)

Steve Trefethen (Borland R&D) in <4130e99e$XXXX@XXXXX.COM>
writes:

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Since I don't work on the DB area I am (unfortunately) not familiar
with dbExpressPlus so can you either direct me to anyone here at
Borland who already knows about it
You can talk to Ramesh and me.

Carl Caulkett

Delphi Developer

2004-08-29 04:16:15 PM

Re: It's... the Unofficial D9 Feature Voting Awareness Week! (UD9FVAW)

Derek Davidson writes:

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faithful' back and, maybe more to your liking, to reduce the levels of
negativity evident in these groups.
Priceless.

--
Carl

Don

Delphi Developer

2004-08-30 01:49:44 PM

Re: It's... the Unofficial D9 Feature Voting Awareness Week! (UD9FVAW)

Derek Davidson writes:

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John Kaster (Borland) writes:

>This is (at least) the
>second time in a week a Borland employee has been chastised for asking
>a customer what he wants.

It's not often I agree with Don, but I didn't see him chastise anybody.
Thanks Derek.

Don

Delphi Developer

2004-08-30 01:52:27 PM

Re: It's... the Unofficial D9 Feature Voting Awareness Week! (UD9FVAW)

John Kaster (Borland) writes:

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Don in <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes:

>Well that makes two of us then, because I find your reaction equally
>puzzling and a little insulting.

I'm sorry you find my inability to understand your conclusion
insulting. I simply don't understand it.

You again misunderstood. What I found (a little) insulting was your

implication that I was just spreading FUD when I can assure you I was not.
It appears to me that playing the FUD card is becoming an excuse for
anything at all that does not coincide with your views, which is very
unfortunate.
Don

Don

Delphi Developer

2004-08-30 01:52:36 PM

Re: It's... the Unofficial D9 Feature Voting Awareness Week! (UD9FVAW)

Steve Trefethen (Borland R&D) writes:

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Hi Don,
IMO, the issue is the fact that there are lots and lots of QC entries
to comb through and a little help focusing on what issues are truly
impacting developers would be very useful. I know that QC allows voting
but I am not sure that it is all that effective since QC is mixed with
feature requests and those tend to bubble to the top of the vote counts
(or so it seems).
Thanks for clearing that up Steve. And thank you for your honest

critique of QC.
Don

Don

Delphi Developer

2004-08-30 01:56:02 PM

Re: It's... the Unofficial D9 Feature Voting Awareness Week! (UD9FVAW)

Derek Davidson writes:

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It's not often I agree with Don, but I didn't see him chastise anybody.
What I did see was him questioning the use of QC. He's making the
point that QC *is* the list so why is someone from Borland asking for a
list when they already have it?
Check Steve's reply to mine. He clears it up. I hope John read it as well.

Cheers
Don

Dave Nottage [TeamB]

Delphi Developer

2004-08-30 03:53:50 PM

Re: It's... the Unofficial D9 Feature Voting Awareness Week! (UD9FVAW)

Carl Caulkett writes:

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>faithful' back and, maybe more to your liking, to reduce the levels
>of negativity evident in these groups.

Priceless.
I'll credit the consistency.

--
Dave Nottage [TeamB]
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bdn.borland.com/article/0,1410,32499,00.html

Kristofer Skaug

Delphi Developer

2004-08-30 05:57:51 PM

Re: It's... the Unofficial D9 Feature Voting Awareness Week! (UD9FVAW)

Steve Trefethen (Borland R&D) writes:

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I know that QC allows voting but I am not sure that it is all that
effective since QC is mixed with feature requests and those
tend to bubble to the top of the vote counts (or so it seems).
There's been a lot of discussion previously in the QC forum about the

separation of votes for bug fixes and votes for feature requests.
Borland's rationale for pooling both under the same quota was, IIRC, that
this way users would be forced to indicate whether the prefer bug fixes
to new features (or vice versa). To me, that is comparing apples with
oranges. And it makes it difficult to extract lists like the one I
presented last week, i.e. one with only feature requests (or one with
only bug reports).
--
Kristofer