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Henrick Hellström [StreamSec]

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Re: Why 64bit Delphi compiler from Borland may be meaningless!


2005-01-26 09:27:25 PM
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Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] writes:
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"Henrick Hellström [StreamSec]" writes:

>I imagine that the developers who purchase the Enterprise or
 >Architect SKUs to a large extent are doing in house enterprise
 >development, or at least target that market with their products.
Yes, and how many copies of Delphi would that sell?
You would obviously have to ask Borland for those figures, but it might
not be relevant since this discussion is based on contra-factual
assumptions (namely that it would be a simple recompile).
On the contrary, the reason *I* would want a Delphi Win64 the minute I
get my first Win64 machine, is that I need the time that would give me
to port and test my code. I do however think my code is at the other
extreme of the scale.
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Dennis Landi

Delphi Developer

2005-01-26 09:33:49 PM

Re: Why 64bit Delphi compiler from Borland may be meaningless!

"Henrick Hellström [StreamSec]" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>wrote in
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Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] writes:

>"Henrick Hellström [StreamSec]" writes:
 >
 >>I imagine that the developers who purchase the Enterprise or
 >>Architect SKUs to a large extent are doing in house enterprise
 >>development, or at least target that market with their products.
 >
 >Yes, and how many copies of Delphi would that sell?
You would obviously have to ask Borland for those figures, but it might
not be relevant since this discussion is based on contra-factual
assumptions (namely that it would be a simple recompile).

On the contrary, the reason *I* would want a Delphi Win64 the minute I
get my first Win64 machine, is that I need the time that would give me
to port and test my code. I do however think my code is at the other
extreme of the scale.

Indeed, whereas I have religously avoided things like sizeOf(pointer) for
years. My code is extremely well-behaved in this regard. I rarely employ
"tricks" at the raw Win32 API level, I am an avid consumer of the full VCL;
and if Borland can port the VCL itself to Win64, I will most likely be 99%
of the way there already.
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Dennis Landi

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2005-01-26 09:35:22 PM

Re: Why 64bit Delphi compiler from Borland may be meaningless!

"Dennis Landi" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes news:41f79c42>>
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>On the contrary, the reason *I* would want a Delphi Win64 the minute I
 >get my first Win64 machine, is that I need the time that would give me
 >to port and test my code. I do however think my code is at the other
 >extreme of the scale.
 >
Indeed, whereas I have religously avoided things like sizeOf(pointer) for
years. My code is extremely well-behaved in this regard. I rarely employ
"tricks" at the raw Win32 API level, I am an avid consumer of the full
VCL;
and if Borland can port the VCL itself to Win64, I will most likely be 99%
of the way there already.

IOW, the claim that all or most developers will need to spend a great deal
of there time fixing pointer size issues in their code is another
red-herring.
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Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]

Delphi Developer

2005-01-26 09:47:07 PM

Re: Why 64bit Delphi compiler from Borland may be meaningless!

"Henrick Hellström [StreamSec]" writes:
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Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] writes:

>Since all Delphi versions have BASM,
Delphi 8 doesn't, and that was kind of the point: If you are going to
use BASM code from .NET you have to call a native DLL.
Indeed, and those calling it don't have to have the native compiler.
I still don't see what you are getting at.
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Henrick Hellström [StreamSec]

Delphi Developer

2005-01-26 09:54:52 PM

Re: Why 64bit Delphi compiler from Borland may be meaningless!

Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] writes:
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>Delphi 8 doesn't, and that was kind of the point: If you are going
 >to use BASM code from .NET you have to call a native DLL.
Indeed, and those calling it don't have to have the native compiler.

I still don't see what you are getting at.
In such case, let me quote myself <g>
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There might also be good reasons for not wanting that such as: (1)
You want the source code and the ability to compile it. (2) You want
full control over the modularity of your application, in which case
you want to compile the component into your own modules.
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Larry Drews

Delphi Developer

2005-01-26 09:55:56 PM

Re: Why 64bit Delphi compiler from Borland may be meaningless!

Thomas Miller <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>wrote in
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I think it will start become prevalent in 5 years, instead
of the nitch it is now. What do we do for the next 10
years? Free Pascal and Lazarus?

I believe in keeping an eye on the long term, but in 10 years how do you
know that we will even be alive? Hell, in 10 years I will probably be
retired and won't give a damn!
 
Bob Dawson

Delphi Developer

2005-01-26 09:56:23 PM

Re: Why 64bit Delphi compiler from Borland may be meaningless!

"Will DeWitt Jr." wrote
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[...] The .NET bias in here is so thick
I evaluate technologies for business value. If you find that there's a
strong 'bias' (sic: read 'preference') for .NET support from Borland over
win64 support, you might consider why that is (hint: we're not all either
idiots or secretly in the employ of MS) and what it means for Borland's
relative potential markets.
bobD
 
Nick Hodges [TeamB]

Delphi Developer

2005-01-26 10:16:55 PM

Re: Why 64bit Delphi compiler from Borland may be meaningless!

Jim Cooper writes:
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I'm not sure why you should still be amazed <vbg>
LOL. ;-)
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Joanna Carter (TeamB)

Delphi Developer

2005-01-26 10:44:46 PM

Re: Why 64bit Delphi compiler from Borland may be meaningless!

"Dennis Landi" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>a écrit dans le message de news:
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No doubt you will get another award from Borland for that.
That's why they call it 'The Spirit *of* Delphi' not 'The Spirit *against*
Delphi' award
Joanna
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Dennis Landi

Delphi Developer

2005-01-26 10:53:18 PM

Re: Why 64bit Delphi compiler from Borland may be meaningless!

"Joanna Carter (TeamB)" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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"Dennis Landi" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>a écrit dans le message de news:
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>No doubt you will get another award from Borland for that.
That's why they call it 'The Spirit *of* Delphi' not 'The Spirit *against*
Delphi' award

And you've just proven my contention that all this TeamB activity to stop
delphi developers discussing 64-bit, is because you think this is against
Delphi.
That is totally misguided. Its time to rename that award The Borland Goon
of the Year Award, and I'd think you would be a prime candidate.
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Henrick Hellström [StreamSec]

Delphi Developer

2005-01-26 10:57:29 PM

Re: Why 64bit Delphi compiler from Borland may be meaningless!

Joanna Carter (TeamB) writes:
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That's why they call it 'The Spirit *of* Delphi' not 'The Spirit *against*
Delphi' award
I doubt Dennis Landi would be spending as much time as he does posting
here had he not been passionate about Delphi. It would have been easy
for him to just forget about it and pick up MS VS C++ instead.
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Joanna Carter (TeamB)

Delphi Developer

2005-01-26 11:06:51 PM

Re: Why 64bit Delphi compiler from Borland may be meaningless!

"Dennis Landi" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>a écrit dans le message de news:
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And you've just proven my contention that all this TeamB activity to stop
delphi developers discussing 64-bit, is because you think this is against
Delphi.
Huh ??? We have not stopped you discussing it, merely asked you to stop
discussing it in every thread that you participate in.
This thread is about W64 - have we tried to stop it ???
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That is totally misguided. Its time to rename that award The Borland Goon
of the Year Award, and I'd think you would be a prime candidate.
Dennis, I absolutely adore the Goon Show, thank you for allowing me to be
compared with one of the world's greatest creative teams :-))
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Larry Drews

Delphi Developer

2005-01-26 11:45:17 PM

Re: Why 64bit Delphi compiler from Borland may be meaningless!

"Henrick Hellström [StreamSec]" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>wrote in
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I doubt Dennis Landi would be spending as much time as he does posting
here had he not been passionate about Delphi. It would have been easy
for him to just forget about it and pick up MS VS C++ instead.

And I suspect the reason that Dennis is still here is because, in spite of
all the problems, Delphi is still the best tool for the stuff that he is
working on. If it were not, he would be gone.
 
Dennis Landi

Delphi Developer

2005-01-27 12:03:23 AM

Re: Why 64bit Delphi compiler from Borland may be meaningless!

"Larry Drews" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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"Henrick Hellström [StreamSec]" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>wrote in
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 >I doubt Dennis Landi would be spending as much time as he does posting
 >here had he not been passionate about Delphi. It would have been easy
 >for him to just forget about it and pick up MS VS C++ instead.
 >
And I suspect the reason that Dennis is still here is because, in spite of
all the problems, Delphi is still the best tool for the stuff that he is
working on. If it were not, he would be gone.

For the Win32 plaform Delphi RULES. Period.
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Kostya

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2005-01-27 12:25:55 AM

Re: Why 64bit Delphi compiler from Borland may be meaningless!

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Huh ??? We have not stopped you discussing it, merely asked you to stop
discussing it in every thread that you participate in.
How about you and some others stop discussing the intricacies of
Delphi's naming (D2005/D2K5/etc) in a thread that was posted with
the totally different subject? Or your rules are only valid for
mortals?
Kostya