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Wayne Niddery [TeamB]

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Re: Coates to buy Delphi? but... Delphi HAS value for Borland...


2005-09-22 03:04:22 AM
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Brian Moelk writes:
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IMO, Borland should publicly deny Coates' claim. If not in a press
release, but here in these NG's. FUD is real and should be addressed
to diffuse it.

If Borland chooses not to do so, then the question of the validity of
Coates' claims will remain.
"Delphi and Deploy are integral to Borland's business and growth strategy,
and are not for sale." - along with other statements indicating that they
fully rejected Coates proposal *unanimously*. What exactly do you need to
hear that can say it any more directly and unambiguously than that??
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Brian Moelk

Delphi Developer

2005-09-22 03:05:25 AM

Re: Coates to buy Delphi? but... Delphi HAS value for Borland...

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"Deploy" has been superceded by "Application Middleware":

www.borland.com/us/products/middleware/index.html
Ok, but Corba services are in there too. The "Deploy" terminology is from
the conference call. The ultimate question is what specific products does
that "Deploy" category encompass? Is "Application Middleware" a synonym for
"Deploy"?
If so, then it looks like all of those products are succeptible to EOL.
 
Larry Drews

Delphi Developer

2005-09-22 03:10:03 AM

Re: Coates to buy Delphi? but... Delphi HAS value for Borland...

"Brian Moelk" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>wrote in
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If so, then it looks like all of those products are succeptible to
EOL.

How is this significant? Aren't all products susceptible to EOL at any
time?
 

Brian Moelk

Delphi Developer

2005-09-22 03:18:47 AM

Re: Coates to buy Delphi? but... Delphi HAS value for Borland...

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There are multiple claims, most of which are meaningless as 'facts':
Then it should be quite easy for Borland to respond to them.
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"The company has recently transferred many of its dedicated and hard
working
Delphi and Deploy developers"

How would Coates know this?
Perhaps he knows some Borland employees?
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How many is "many"? And if they came from a
soon-to-be EOL product, then what's bad about keeping your known good
employees around by transferring them to newer products? Coates is
spinning
an absolutely standard business practice here (align the workforce) as if
it
were something horrible. Without details, there's nothing to deny here,
because without details, it is little more than a charge that the company
is
alive.
I agree. So Borland is free to issue their own statement stating that
aligning their workforce is a good thing.
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"a chilling effect on morale at the Delphi and Deploy groups"

This doesn't even make sense. Why would reaasignment of middleware
developers hurt morale in the Delphi group?
Sure it would. If I put my heart and soul into a product that I believe in
and use every day, being transfered to a product that I might not be as
passionate about would be a blow to me. Now, I am not saying that is the
case, I am just allowing for the possibility.
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If anything, seeing my company
work hard to reassign folks in closing divisions to expanding divisions
would make me feel good. Again, this is all spin--there's no real fact
here
to dispute. What should Borland do--issue a "Morale is high" press
release?
That would just look silly.
No. Individual Borland employees can do a *very* effective job by using
their blogs to demonstrate how e{*word*277}d they are about Delphi 2006. If
Borland ever publishes a roadmap, they could talk about it, their vision for
the future of Delphi, etc. Instead we get ruminations on the Red Queen.
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"top people have already resigned,"

Personnel turnover is a constant reality in any business. Without names
and
specific statements of reason, there's nothing here to deny--it's all
spin.
Sure.
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"others have offers for employment elsewhere"

I don't really think it would be hard for any member of the Delphi team to
find a new job, no. So what?
I agree.
 
Kostya

Delphi Developer

2005-09-22 03:18:54 AM

Re: Coates to buy Delphi? but... Delphi HAS value for Borland...

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And, as other people already pointed out, the quote you posted is from
Coats. If you take that at face value, I have a bridge to sell you.
My gut feeling is that if people in certain markets are relying
on Borland to supply superior solutions as it used to then
I have a bridge to sell them;)
I do not care how bad Coates is. Looking at Borland
lately does not inspire any confidence in me either.
Kostya
 
John Herbster

Delphi Developer

2005-09-22 03:22:39 AM

Re: Coates to buy Delphi? but... Delphi HAS value for Borland...

"Brian Moelk" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>wrote
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... The ultimate question is what specific products does
that "Deploy" category encompass?
"Is "Application Middleware" a synonym for "Deploy"?
If so, then it looks like all of those products are succeptible to EOL.
Brian,
By EOL, do you mean End-Of-Life?
--JohnH
 
Brian Moelk

Delphi Developer

2005-09-22 03:23:21 AM

Re: Coates to buy Delphi? but... Delphi HAS value for Borland...

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How is this significant? Aren't all products susceptible to EOL at any
time?
Sure...like MS Windows....
 
Craig Stuntz [TeamB]

Delphi Developer

2005-09-22 03:27:51 AM

Re: Coates to buy Delphi? but... Delphi HAS value for Borland...

Brian, I think you're leaping to *very* reaching conclusions based on
insufficient data. Sometimes the organization of the web site and
marketing materials is just the organization of the web site and
marketing materials. Anything else is speculation, IMHO.
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Craig Stuntz [TeamB]

Delphi Developer

2005-09-22 03:29:13 AM

Re: Coates to buy Delphi? but... Delphi HAS value for Borland...

Bob Swart writes:
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>"top people have already resigned,"
 >
 >Personnel turnover is a constant reality in any business. Without
 >names and specific statements of reason, there's nothing here to
 >deny--it's all spin.
Let's hope so... I would hate to see the team split-up...
I would presume that Coates is referring to folks like Chuck J. and
Simon Thornhill. So it is true to a point, but old news and misleading
in this context IMHO.
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Brian Moelk

Delphi Developer

2005-09-22 03:35:02 AM

Re: Coates to buy Delphi? but... Delphi HAS value for Borland...

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"Delphi and Deploy are integral to Borland's business and growth strategy,
and are not for sale." - along with other statements indicating that they
fully rejected Coates proposal *unanimously*.
That statement was made in response to the offer, not the press release.
Besides the "not for sale" statement directly contradicts what Mr. Arnold
conveyed in a previous interview.
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What exactly do you need to
hear that can say it any more directly and unambiguously than that??
I'd like to hear *how* Delphi and BDS are integral parts of Borland's
ALM/SDO strategy going forward. There is a big difference between "business
and growth strategy" and their "ALM/SDO" strategy; a "nice little cash cow"
fits nicely with the former, but ambiguously in the latter. The ultimate
irony in their ALM/SDO strategy is that it is language independent and IMO,
IDE independent. It would actually be more comforting to the Delphi
community if it were language and IDE dependent.
 
Craig Stuntz [TeamB]

Delphi Developer

2005-09-22 03:39:01 AM

Re: Coates to buy Delphi? but... Delphi HAS value for Borland...

Brian Moelk writes:
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Craig, to be honest, I am not reaching any conclusions. I am honestly
asking what products fall within the "Deploy" category that was
referred to in the conference call and thus refered to by Coates'
statement.
Ah, I see -- it was *Coates* who was leaping to a conclusion on scant
evidence, and you were just quoting him. Sorry, that wasn't clear from
your post.
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Brian Moelk

Delphi Developer

2005-09-22 03:39:05 AM

Re: Coates to buy Delphi? but... Delphi HAS value for Borland...

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Brian, I think you're leaping to *very* reaching conclusions based on
insufficient data. Sometimes the organization of the web site and
marketing materials is just the organization of the web site and
marketing materials. Anything else is speculation, IMHO.
Craig, to be honest, I am not reaching any conclusions. I am honestly asking
what products fall within the "Deploy" category that was referred to in the
conference call and thus refered to by Coates' statement.
I took it to include all of the products in the "Application Middleware"
page that you provided. It seems that all of these products are ones that
Coates suggest could be EOL'd.
 
Kevin Berry

Delphi Developer

2005-09-22 03:46:03 AM

Re: Coates to buy Delphi? but... Delphi HAS value for Borland...

Craig Stuntz [TeamB] writes:
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How many alternate ways do you know of using EJBs from your .NET apps
(in Delphi or VS.NET)? SOAP doesn't count; too slow.

(Yes, Janeva is VisiBroker.)
Right. Didn't think about Janeva _BEING_ Visibroker.
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I sometimes think that people tend to write off stuff which isn't
useful to them personally as useless in general. But there's a heck of
a lot of CORBA in the world.
Right, but it is pretty much legacy. Don't you agree? What new
development is being done with CORBA? Most new stuff is EJB, SOA, .NET
remoting...
Cheers,
Kevin.
 
Brian Moelk

Delphi Developer

2005-09-22 03:48:01 AM

Re: Coates to buy Delphi? but... Delphi HAS value for Borland...

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Ah, I see -- it was *Coates* who was leaping to a conclusion on scant
evidence, and you were just quoting him. Sorry, that wasn't clear from
your post.
Yes, I apologize for not making that clear. I just wanted clarification on
what products are actually in the "Deploy" group.
 
Craig Stuntz [TeamB]

Delphi Developer

2005-09-22 03:51:14 AM

Re: Coates to buy Delphi? but... Delphi HAS value for Borland...

Kevin Berry writes:
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>I sometimes think that people tend to write off stuff which isn't
 >useful to them personally as useless in general. But there's a heck
 >of a lot of CORBA in the world.
Right, but it is pretty much legacy. Don't you agree?
I don't think I am qualified to answer that. I know there's a heck of a
lot of it around, but I don't know how much of it is new. I believe
there's still quite a lot of new development of systems to talk to
CORBA servers, at the very least.
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