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Re: Microsoft to certify and support SUSE Linux !


2006-11-03 05:22:09 PM
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Paul Nichols [TeamB] writes:
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I think MS is trying to save a large segment of its business model
with the agreement.

More and more countries, governments, educational institutions, as
well as small and medium size business are turning to Linux and Linux
based open source products.
and IMHO this will accelerate with Vista. I have read a bit about its
new EULA and I don't like it at all.
There are 3 points that specially scare me out:
- Having to buy Vista license again after just 2 hw changes (don't know
if major or minor). People say that end-users will be angry about this
but, does anyone in MS really think that governments and business
companies will agree to pay MS for this????
- Even worse, you have to agree that MS will be able to check what you
have installed. I don't think *any* company or government will agree to
this, as it is a door to security, privacy and legal problems.
- And worst of all, you do not agree to this, your version of Vista
begins to restrict access to its features.
I, for my part, will stay with XP, at least until this problem
disappears, if it ever does... :/
So will do my company. If this does not change we surely will change at
least our servers to Linux.
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Another problem MS has is that recent surveys reveal (Computer World
and IT magazine) that 60% of developers are developing Open Source
products. Open Source developers do not see MS as friends
generally, but rather as foes. If you, as a major software Vendor and
especially an OS based company, lose the development community, you
will soon lose market share.
as long as there is an alternative for the OS, yes. While Linux is a
serious alternative for servers, I think it is still not mature enough
to be an alternative for the end user.
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Re: Microsoft to certify and support SUSE Linux !

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While Linux is a
serious alternative for servers, I think it is still not mature enough
to be an alternative for the end user.

I think it is.
Define "mature enough" for the end user. Which problems are there?
 

Re: Microsoft to certify and support SUSE Linux !

theo writes:
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Is this is good news?
Maybe maybe not depends from which angle you look at it.
From our perspective it could mean one of the following..
Borland has been caught with their pants down regarding their Delphi
Linux stategy and gets a serious wake up call.
Microsoft will help Novell to get Mono compatible with .Net, this could
perhaps be the platform for the new Kylix IDE - based on the latest
BDS IDE?, but I do not see this as it potentially could destroy the MS
Windows desktop sales..
From what I read elsewhere everyone is also jumping because of Oracle
planning to release and support their own custom Linux distro - Another
major vendor supporting Linux directly. This hurts Red Hat and others of
course as well.
It could thus also mean that the big boys are wedging into Linux to grap
the market and suffocate the traditional Linux support companies.. I
would not be suprised if Microsoft comes out with a Linux distro/buys
out one of the distro vendors in the next year or two!
siegfried
 

Re: Microsoft to certify and support SUSE Linux !

SiegfriedN writes:
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I would not be suprised if Microsoft comes out with a Linux distro/buys
out one of the distro vendors in the next year or two!

Sorry, make that 5 years since Microsoft has a 5 year agreement with
Novell to support SUSE Linux..
Never the less, almost all the big boys are now activly supporting Linux !
What I also read into this is that MS is keen to get into the Linux
market. They either do not have the resources to produce their own
distro or do not want to invest too much too soon i.e. just to have a
foot in the door at the moment. That can really be a scary scenarion is
if MS buys out Novell in the future..
'Wildly' it can also mean that they can't keep up with the fast pace
of OSS development especially in the virtualisation and cluster
computing (super computing). Is it a sign that the beast is slowly
coming to its knees on the server side of things?
siegfried
 

Re: Microsoft to certify and support SUSE Linux !

Guillem writes:
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- Having to buy Vista license again after just 2 hw changes (don't know
if major or minor). People say that end-users will be angry about this
but, does anyone in MS really think that governments and business
companies will agree to pay MS for this????

MS have dropped this requirement in the last couple of days. They claim
it's due to the fact that people who build their own PCs tend to change
hardware a lot, and are therefore an important source of information
about driver compatibilities and bugs for MS themselves, and that in
any case this was intended to prevent piracy, not stop legitimate users
from changing bits of hardware, or moving vista between machines.
Of course, cynics among us might well suspect that this is actually
an attempt at damage control, because the last thing they need is
even more bad pre-launch publicity to add to the uncommonly large
amount of negativity already surrounding Vista.
 

Re: Microsoft to certify and support SUSE Linux !

Hi,
"Guillem" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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There are 3 points that specially scare me out:

- Having to buy Vista license again after just 2 hw changes (don't know
if major or minor). People say that end-users will be angry about this
but, does anyone in MS really think that governments and business
companies will agree to pay MS for this????

- Even worse, you have to agree that MS will be able to check what you
have installed. I don't think *any* company or government will agree to
this, as it is a door to security, privacy and legal problems.

- And worst of all, you do not agree to this, your version of Vista
begins to restrict access to its features.
Microsoft just changed their minds, due to customer pressure:
news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6131900.html
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Daniel Rail
ACCRA Solutions Inc.(www.accra.ca)
ACCRA Med Software Inc.(www.filopto.com)
 

Re: Microsoft to certify and support SUSE Linux !

Nathaniel L. Walker writes:
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I think it has more to do with interoperability of Windows
and Linux client/servers; but maybe a very very early indication
of what is to come in the future.

Microsoft .NET for Linux?

[Too much] wishful thinking <g>

How about the Windows kernel being rewitten on top of
Linux?
Now that would be something ;-)
 

Re: Microsoft to certify and support SUSE Linux !

I wouldn't like Microsoft on my Linux machine
"SiegfriedN" <sniedinger@yaahooodotcodotuk>schreef in bericht
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arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061102-8141.html

Now where is that Kylix upgrade we have been asking for?

Some other news
Dell moving closer to sell Linux workstations..

www.direct2dell.com/one2one/archive/2006/11/01/3396.aspx


siegfried
 

Re: Microsoft to certify and support SUSE Linux !

Jennifer-Ashley schrieb:
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I wouldn't like Microsoft on my Linux machine

+1
 

Re: Microsoft to certify and support SUSE Linux !

theo writes:
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>

I think it is.
Define "mature enough" for the end user. Which problems are there?
sorry, should have specified more. I meant that the normal non-expert
end user does not know what Linux is or can offer, or if it is better or
not than Windows. As he/she does not know it, he/she will be scared of
using it (most of them at least).
We people of the IT industry tend to forget sometimes that they see a
computer as something that "does things". Generally speaking they don't
understand how or what is better or worse, and usually if they have any
problem they tend to ask "my-friend-that-know-a-lot-about-computers".
This does not apply to all non-expert users, but to most of them.
IMHO Linux needs a lot more publicity to convince them about its
goodness :)
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Best regards :)
Guillem Vicens Meier
Dep. Informatica Green Service S.A.
www.clubgreenoasis.com
 

Re: Microsoft to certify and support SUSE Linux !

Daniel Rail writes:
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Hi,

"Guillem" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
news:454b1851$XXXX@XXXXX.COM...
>There are 3 points that specially scare me out:
>
>- Having to buy Vista license again after just 2 hw changes (don't
>know if major or minor). People say that end-users will be angry
>about this but, does anyone in MS really think that governments and
>business companies will agree to pay MS for this????
>
>- Even worse, you have to agree that MS will be able to check what
>you have installed. I don't think any company or government will
>agree to this, as it is a door to security, privacy and legal
>problems.
>
>- And worst of all, you do not agree to this, your version of Vista
>begins to restrict access to its features.

Microsoft just changed their minds, due to customer pressure:
news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6131900.html
interesting link, thanks :)
You still got the problem with MS being able to check what you have
installed, though :(
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Best regards :)
Guillem Vicens Meier
Dep. Informatica Green Service S.A.
www.clubgreenoasis.com
 

Re: Microsoft to certify and support SUSE Linux !

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I wouldn't like Microsoft on my Linux machine
I would agree, however... If we had more product availability (i.e. Office,
which probably won't happen) it would be a bonus to sell.
 

Re: Microsoft to certify and support SUSE Linux !

"J. Lee" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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Microsoft wants Windows on *EVERY* PC, they don't care if it is running
natively on the hardware, or in a virtual machine (Zen). That is the basis
for this "sharing" agreement. For anyone to think that M$ is actually
opening up and trying to cooperate would be ridiculous.
It's possible Red Hat could get traction. They'll try to keep that from
happening by supporting Suse "just enough".
Dan
 

Re: Microsoft to certify and support SUSE Linux !

Uhm... Linux IS an OS Kernel.
- Nate.
"Eddie Shipman" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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Nathaniel L. Walker writes:

>I think it has more to do with interoperability of Windows
>and Linux client/servers; but maybe a very very early indication
>of what is to come in the future.
>
>Microsoft .NET for Linux?
>
>[Too much] wishful thinking <g>
>


How about the Windows kernel being rewitten on top of
Linux?

Now that would be something ;-)
 

Re: Microsoft to certify and support SUSE Linux !

Not only that, but their distro would have a common desktop environment,
not 10 that you can choose to install at boot time. The software would all
look the same, the fonts would look better, it wouldn't be a horrible
resource
hog, and the software they produce would be compatible across /many/
versions. Also, Automatic Update features would be free, and not at
subscription price. I don't mind paying for a Linux distro, I do mind
paying
for Automatic Updates, when Windows has them for free.
- Nate.
"Tom" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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>I wouldn't like Microsoft on my Linux machine

I would agree, however... If we had more product availability (i.e.
Office, which probably won't happen) it would be a bonus to sell.