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2007-02-21 04:54:10 AM
delphi113
Hi,
With the arrival of Delphi for Win32 and for PHP, does that mean that all
(other) products -like C++Builder, C#Builder- will now be sold separately
instead of being bundled in BDS 2007? If so, that will entail a much higher
price tag for those of us who want all the environments.
Jennifer
 

Jennifer-Ashley writes:
Delphi 2007 for Win32 is designed to meet the needs of folks that want
to do only native development. There are a lot of those folks.
But we still plan to have a Studio version -- not to worry.
--
Nick Hodges
Delphi Product Manager - CodeGear
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And if you want the Studio updates - adding subscription to Delphi, will now
get you the Studio updates as well as Delphi updates. -m
"Nick Hodges (CodeGear)" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes

that are now in BDS2006... or even more? (Delphi for PHP) Also, do we have
to wait for BDS2007 until all of the individual products are released, or
will it be released along the way?
 

Jennifer-Ashley writes:
--
Liz the Brit
Delphi things I have released: www.xcalibur.co.uk/DelphiThings
 

On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:59:14 -0800, "Michael Swindell \(CodeGear\)"
<XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes:
until the next BDS release since I use Delphi Win32, Delphi .NET, and
C# Builder. Now I know, upgrade now and start my subscription and
I'll get the other products once released.
Thanks,
-KIRBY
 

Jennifer-Ashley writes:
surprise.
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Nick Hodges
Delphi Product Manager - CodeGear
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In article <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>, Liz says...
The Turbos were launched alongside the BDS product line, at a time when
it was clear what it meant: Buy Turbo's to meet single language needs.
You could save $$$'s by buying BDS if you needed 2 or more
personalities.
The question Jennifer asks arises from the confusion around the various
product lines given that Delphi 2007 is not being marketted as a "Delphi
Personality for BDS" but as a separate product yet it is (or appears to
be) a standalone release of one personality of what will be BDS 2007 but
is being touted as The Great White Hope for Win32 Focussed Developers.
This is just confusing the heck out of everybody.
i.e. I am interested in Win32 Delphi (and in the future Win64). Have no
interest in Delphi.NET or CodeGear C# or C++.
So I should be overjoyed at the release of Delphi 2007? Right?
Yes and no.
I'm overjoyed at the idea. Utterly devastated by the implementation.
Delphi 2007 isn't (or doesn't seem to be) "The Real Delphi 8". It's
just a Vista fix for the Delphi personality of BDS.
BDS? Not interested, thank you very much. And I thought (hoped) that
cases like me were the whole raison d'etre of Delphi 2007, but it seems
I was wrong.
:(
--
Jolyon Smith
WHILE INKEY$ WEND
 

Jolyon Smith writes:
line, its a single personality version, only theres no free one, but
there is an enterprise one, so I guess this is more for business, in
the sense it seems to be a return to the single personality options.
Im Win32 only too, I can c++ I have even written a .net, but ask me to
write anything and I start delphi up.
that inevitably comes with any new product, but Im sure there are
upgrades in there too.
--
Liz the Brit
Delphi things I have released: www.xcalibur.co.uk/DelphiThings
 

Jolyon Smith writes:
Win32 only version of BDS. Delphi 2007 for Win32 appears to be this
product.
But I do concede it certainly seems to be very successful in confusing
people who seem determined to be confused no matter what.
be considered "The Real Delphi 8", by which I assume you mean "a true
successor to Delphi 7; a Win32 only Delphi IDE"?
--
Cheers,
David Clegg
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"Jolyon Smith" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
You don't like that it is a non-breaking change because you wanted
the excuse to update all your third-party components, or what?
Is it that they used MSBuild so we *finally* have pre and post compile
events?
--
Thanks,
Brad.
 

"David Clegg" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
Win32) as "Turbo Delphi Win32 2006 Pro'.
When many people were asking for a Win32 only version of BDS they wanted
something without any .NET dependencies. Delphi 2007 for Win32 is not that.
However, I am pleased that it at least now makes use of .NET 2.0 and I can
get rid of .NET 1.1.
also in a Turbo SKU with compiler enhancements e.g. Generics.
I hope that the new roadmap due out this month might unmuddy the waters.
 

"Chris Burrows" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
the one without any .NET dependencies (and maybe the Delphi 7 style IDE?)
 

In article <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>, Liz says...
upgrade to the BDS line!
(Sign up for SA for Delphi 2007 and you will get BDS2007 when it is
released, if I read CodeGear posts on the matter correctly)
--
Jolyon Smith
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In article <45db8438$XXXX@XXXXX.COM>, David Clegg says...
asking for a Win32 only version of _Delphi_. Before anyone jumps in
saying you're not speaking for all of us - I KNOW AND DON'T INTEND TO -
"they" and "we" means the people in the general group referred to that
shared the same view as me - this should be self evident but people tend
to like to attack such points of argument in the absence of any tangible
contra-opinion </rant>back to the matter at hand....)
Turbo looked to be it, but people with an affinity for Delphi Pro are
now being told that Turbo Pro was a mistake - Pro users are supposed to
be using BDS.
The whole "we've been listening" is starting to ring a bit hollow.
personality of BDS. It is. Not my "IMHO". that is what it is.
"determined to be confused" group than you imagine, and some of them I'm
pretty sure you would not expect to be in that group.
:D
As I said - "BDS? Not interested."
Paying BDS prices for Turbo functionality? Even less interested.
This aspect doesn't strike me as confusing at all.
:(
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Jolyon Smith
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