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installing BDE without REDIST

Hi !

I wrote an application with uses BDE (Paradox 7 tables).

My problem: I sold my CD-ROM drive some weeks ago. I read that i have
to install BDE from the REDIST directory on target machines.

My question: Is it possible to install BDE on a target machine only
by copying files from the installed Delphi 2.0 C/S version without
buying a new CD-ROM drive ????

Thanks ...

 

Re:installing BDE without REDIST


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Serge Wagener wrote:

> Hi !

> I wrote an application with uses BDE (Paradox 7 tables).

> My problem: I sold my CD-ROM drive some weeks ago. I read that i have
> to install BDE from the REDIST directory on target machines.

> My question: Is it possible to install BDE on a target machine only
> by copying files from the installed Delphi 2.0 C/S version without
> buying a new CD-ROM drive ????

> Thanks ...

You also sold your license to do Delphi development and lost
your distribution rights when you sold your CD ROM.  If we
expect Borland to support us (developers), it makes sense that
we have to support Borland.

I won't mention to "P" word here, but you should be able to
figure out what you need to do.

Greg

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Re:installing BDE without REDIST


On Thu, 12 Sep 1996 08:07:54 -0700, Greg Postlewait <gp...@teleport.com>
wrote:

Quote
>Serge Wagener wrote:

>> My problem: I sold my CD-ROM drive some weeks ago. I read that i have
>> to install BDE from the REDIST directory on target machines.

>> My question: Is it possible to install BDE on a target machine only
>> by copying files from the installed Delphi 2.0 C/S version without
>> buying a new CD-ROM drive ????

>> Thanks ...

>You also sold your license to do Delphi development and lost
>your distribution rights when you sold your CD ROM.  If we
>expect Borland to support us (developers), it makes sense that
>we have to support Borland.

>I won't mention to "P" word here, but you should be able to
>figure out what you need to do.

???? I think you missed the point Greg, he didn't say he sold the CD, only
the Drive. I've heard of software sold to run only on a specific CPU, but
never only for a specific Rom Drive.

To answer his question though, the license agreement for the BDE
specifically says it must be installed using Borland's installation program.
I don't think it matters where the files happen to be when the installation
is created. The installation program will create the installation disks, and
it is those disks that are used for client installation, not the CD ROM
itself. I mean, nobody expects a developer to show up at the client site
with the original Delphi CD and a ROM Drive in order to install his/her
application.

Alan

Re:installing BDE without REDIST


Serge,

My apologies.  My brain must have been in Pentium 60 mode doing
some floating point calculation.

As for more information on redistribution, you can use
installation software like InstallShield or Eschalon that will
automatically setup and configure the BDE.  Though our licensing
agreement states we have to use Borland's BDE redistributable
setup program, it makes no mention of the use of a third party
installation program.

Besides, if Borland was against third party installation of the
BDE, why havn't they sued the companies doing it?

Greg

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http://www.teleport.com/~gpost/gpc.htm

Re:installing BDE without REDIST


On Fri, 13 Sep 1996 07:54:05 -0700, Greg Postlewait <gp...@teleport.com>
wrote:

Quote
>automatically setup and configure the BDE.  Though our licensing
>agreement states we have to use Borland's BDE redistributable
>setup program, it makes no mention of the use of a third party
>installation program.

>Besides, if Borland was against third party installation of the
>BDE, why havn't they sued the companies doing it?

I can make a pessimistic guess. I think they don't much care what how we
install stuff. But how many guesses would you like about what Borland's
response will be if you call up with a problem and tell them you used an
"unauthorized" installation program - ie - that you violated the license
agreement.

I'm guessing it'll make their day.

I don't think the license agreement is there to ensure that we do things
their way. I think it is there to protect them (and give them an out) when
we don't.

Alan

Re:installing BDE without REDIST


Quote
Greg Postlewait wrote:
> My apologies.  My brain must have been in Pentium 60 mode doing
> some floating point calculation.

no problem...

First read carefully, then press your reply button ;-))

Quote
> As for more information on redistribution, you can use
> installation software like InstallShield or Eschalon that will
> automatically setup and configure the BDE.  Though our licensing
> agreement states we have to use Borland's BDE redistributable
> setup program, it makes no mention of the use of a third party
> installation program.

Is there any new 32-bit BDE out there on internet ?

Quote
> Besides, if Borland was against third party installation of the
> BDE, why havn't they sued the companies doing it?

right !

Re:installing BDE without REDIST


Quote
Serge Wagener wrote:

> Is there any new 32-bit BDE out there on internet ?If you are asking for a updated 32-bit BDE, I'm not sure.  Check out

Borland.  

If you are asking about programs that do 32 bit installations, check out

http://www.installshield.com
or
http://www.eschalon.com
(I personally prefer Eschalon).

Greg

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Re:installing BDE without REDIST


Uh, Greg, I think that Serge said he sold his CD-ROM *drive* not his
CD-ROM. While that makes it difficult to get the files off of the
CD-ROM, Serge has done nothing illegal (unless he really did mean he
sold the CD-ROM).

...

Quote
Greg Postlewait wrote:

> Serge Wagener wrote:
> > My problem: I sold my CD-ROM drive some weeks ago. I read that i have
> > to install BDE from the REDIST directory on target machines.

> > My question: Is it possible to install BDE on a target machine only
> > by copying files from the installed Delphi 2.0 C/S version without
> > buying a new CD-ROM drive ????

> You also sold your license to do Delphi development and lost
> your distribution rights when you sold your CD ROM.  If we
> expect Borland to support us (developers), it makes sense that
> we have to support Borland.

> I won't mention to "P" word here, but you should be able to
> figure out what you need to do.

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Re:installing BDE without REDIST


Greg Postlewait wrote in a message appearing on comp.lang.pascal.delphi.databases:

Quote
>Though our licensing
>agreement states we have to use Borland's BDE redistributable
>setup program, it makes no mention of the use of a third party
>installation program.

Check the file "deploy.txt"

  In accordance with the Additional License Terms of Delphi 2.0
  you can distribute the Borland Database Engine with your
  application using a BORLAND CERTIFIED Install program such as
  InstallShield Express OR ANY OTHER COMPLIANT INSTALL PROGRAMS.

Eschalon is one of the certified programs.

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Re:installing BDE without REDIST


A couple of basic and I suppose obvious BDE questions:

16 and 32 bit version of BDE are required to support (must be
distributed with) programs compiled with Delphi 1 and 2 respectively?

BDE distribution is all of disk1 and disk2 from the redist dir of the
Delphi CD?

hmmm.... there must be a smaller solution!

I want to deploy an application that uses a paradox table, but the
whole compressed distributed application including setup and bde must
fit on a floppy.    What are options here?

Thanks!
Michael B. Godeck
Digital Soup inc.  Brattleboro, Vermont USA
m...@soupinc.com  CIS-102351,3643 http:\\www.soupinc.com

Re:installing BDE without REDIST


What about the WISE installer system by Great Lakes Business Solutions?
Is it approved by Borland?

        Tom

Re:installing BDE without REDIST


I am learning this day by day, so don't count on this, but I think you
want to get an installation program. Eschalon and WISE are the two I have
heard about. Sites on WWW.

      Tom

Re:installing BDE without REDIST


thomas bowden{*word*151}<s...@atl.mindspring.com> wrote:

Quote
>I am learning this day by day, so don't count on this, but I think you
>want to get an installation program. Eschalon and WISE are the two I have
>heard about. Sites on WWW.

Eschalon sez no, I can find WISE on the web.   Somebody in another
thread mentioned Apollo ... any more clues for a small BDE replacement
for Paradox table access?
Michael B. Godeck  English/Spanish - Pal/Pascal
Digital Soup inc.  Brattleboro, Vermont USA
802-254-7356 CIS-102351,3643 email-...@sover.net  

Re:installing BDE without REDIST


On 19/09/1996 01:10, in message <51q352$...@kenya.javanet.com>, Michael Godek

Quote
<m...@soupinc.com> wrote:
> Eschalon sez no, I can find WISE on the web.   Somebody in another
> thread mentioned Apollo ... any more clues for a small BDE replacement
> for Paradox table access?

Go to http://www.installshield.com/express for your current ISXce version.

Delphi comes with the InstallShield Express Custom Edition (ISXce) version. It
is a subset of the InstallShield Express Pro (ISXPro) package. I use ISXPro,
and I continue to enjoy the package to its fullest.

If you go to our technology page at http://ellipse-data.com/technology, you can
see that we are extremely happy with the package. You can order ISXPro by
mailing Niall Cronolly at "ni...@installshield.com".

Stefan Paetow
ellipse data systems

Re:installing BDE without REDIST


Notwithstanding anything contained herein to the contrary or the question
whether the heretofore is legal or not it is quite simple.  Just copy the
idapi directory to the user machine.  Then the 2 lines in win.ini that you
will find under the heading [IDAPI] (be sure to follow spaces and case),
run the bdecfg and voila - it works.  I don't think this is too kosher but
its simple and easy.
Ben
Arrow

Kevin Davidson <lo...@shell.portal.com> wrote in article
<792.6833T1240T...@shell.portal.com>...

Quote
> Greg Postlewait wrote in a message appearing on

comp.lang.pascal.delphi.databases:
Quote

> >Though our licensing
> >agreement states we have to use Borland's BDE redistributable
> >setup program, it makes no mention of the use of a third party
> >installation program.

> Check the file "deploy.txt"

>   In accordance with the Additional License Terms of Delphi 2.0
>   you can distribute the Borland Database Engine with your
>   application using a BORLAND CERTIFIED Install program such as
>   InstallShield Express OR ANY OTHER COMPLIANT INSTALL PROGRAMS.

> Eschalon is one of the certified programs.

> --
> Kevin Davidson (kwdav...@mercury.interpath.com)
> http://www.interpath.com/~kwdavids/

> * If instead of talking nonsense you proclaim a worthwhile message,
>   you will be my prophet again. [Jer. 15:19b TEV]

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