Re: Is there a QC Post for Delphi Integration in VS.NET

Chris Burrows

Delphi Developer

Re: Is there a QC Post for Delphi Integration in VS.NET

2004-02-15 07:07:14 AM
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"Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes

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At 19:53:08, 14.02.2004, Johnnie Norsworthy writes:

>I am not extremely familiar with C# yet, but there isn't a heap of
>difference in a C# vs. Delphi expressions to evaluate as far as I can
>see. And expression evaluation in the de{*word*81} is something I rarely
>use.

What about the watch window? I use it a lot.
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I would have used it less than a dozen times in the past decade.

While I'd hate to have to do without a Visual De{*word*81} it can be a very
time-consuming tool unless used wisely. I try to code defensively to avoid
problems occurring in the first place. To debug productively using a Visual
De{*word*81} you need to have a very good idea of what the problem is before you
start - otherwise it is like trying to chop down a tree with a razor blade.
Chris Burrows
CFB Software
www.cfbsoftware.com

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)

Delphi Developer

2004-02-15 07:49:57 AM

Re: Is there a QC Post for Delphi Integration in VS.NET

At 00:07:14, 15.02.2004, Chris Burrows writes:

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While I'd hate to have to do without a Visual De{*word*81} it can be a
very time-consuming tool unless used wisely. I try to code defensively
to avoid problems occurring in the first place. To debug productively
using a Visual De{*word*81} you need to have a very good idea of what the
problem is before you start - otherwise it is like trying to chop down a
tree with a razor blade.
I know how to debug. <g>

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Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)
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times longer to load...)" -- Eric Tilton, Composing Good HTML

Chris Burrows

Delphi Developer

2004-02-15 08:10:01 AM

Re: Is there a QC Post for Delphi Integration in VS.NET

"Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes

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I know how to debug. <g>
In that case you would be well aware that a watch window, although useful,

is not absolutely necessary for productive debugging. Therefore, is the lack
of an expression evaluator in the de{*word*81} a valid reason for dismissing the
concept of a Delphi VS.NET plug-in? I think not.
Chris Burrows
CFB Software
www.cfbsoftware.com

Johnnie Norsworthy

Delphi Developer

2004-02-15 06:25:05 PM

Re: Is there a QC Post for Delphi Integration in VS.NET

"Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes

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Depends on how you debug. In my experience, there are many cases where it
can be very advantageous to see the contents of selected variables on a
breakpoint.

So I do think it is absolutely necessary.
All groovy and such, but please vote for #7288.

I *think* Nick Hodges would vote for it too. Speak up sir. I thought this
was the gist of your web note from before.
If it will absolutely never happen, then I am sorry to say that my beloved
Delphi is gone from my development for future projects. And dammit, I too
love Delphi. (or Object Pascal, depending on your allusions)
-Johnnie
Vote for QC #7288, hopefully they (QC folks) will fix my filing blunders

Chris Burrows

Delphi Developer

2004-02-17 01:19:09 PM

Re: Is there a QC Post for Delphi Integration in VS.NET

"Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes

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At 01:10:01, 15.02.2004, Chris Burrows writes:
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>In that case you would be well aware that a watch window, although
>useful, is not absolutely necessary for productive debugging.

Depends on how you debug. In my experience, there are many cases where it
can be very advantageous to see the contents of selected variables on a
breakpoint.

So I do think it is absolutely necessary.

Sorry, I misunderstood you - because the original point was about expression

evaluation I thought that was what you were referring to.
I agree - it is necessary to see the contents of selected variables on a
breakpoint. However, the fact that I am able to do just that using the
Component Pascal plug-in compiler to VS.NET proves that it is not a
particular limitation of the VSIP capabilities.
An 'expression evaluator' is what Danny said was missing - that is what I
would not particularly miss. it is absence is hardly a showstopper.
Chris Burrows
CFB Software
www.cfbsoftware.com