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Re: Delphi as a Career Choice in the United States


2004-10-05 10:32:58 PM
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BobMonk writes:
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Removing commission based incentives can sometimes/mostly be a good
thing for the customer, ie: The sales person will not talk the
customer into an unnecessary/unsuitable purchase just for the sake of
his figures.
The problem is the sales people are getting commissions for *some* products.
It needs to be all or nothing (realistically that means all), then the sales
person won't deliberately avoid selling the right product for the sake of
selling one with a commission attached, s/he can make money selling the
customer what is appropriate in *all* cases.
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Re: Delphi as a Career Choice in the United States

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[...] ie: The sales person will not talk the customer into an
unnecessary/unsuitable purchase just for the sake of his figures.
You mean they'll talk you into buying what you don't need since
they have no incentive to talk you into buying what you need?
Eric
 

Re: Delphi as a Career Choice in the United States

"Eric Grange" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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>[...] ie: The sales person will not talk the customer into an
>unnecessary/unsuitable purchase just for the sake of his figures.

You mean they'll talk you into buying what you don't need since
they have no incentive to talk you into buying what you need?

<g>(you Frenchmen are so subtle!)
They'll talk you into buying whatever gives them the fattest commision...
"Its their job"
 

Re: Delphi as a Career Choice in the United States

Eric Grange writes:
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>[...] ie: The sales person will not talk the customer into an

>unnecessary/unsuitable purchase just for the sake of his figures.


You mean they'll talk you into buying what you don't need since
they have no incentive to talk you into buying what you need?
Absolutely, it is the dark side of commissionned (not sure of spelling)
vendors. They sell whatever earns them more money, regardless of what
you really need.
 

Re: Delphi as a Career Choice in the United States

"Dennis Landi" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>wrote in
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I think we're beyond that. That TeamB created atmosphere here in this
forum and its condonement by Developer Relations are just extra nails
in the coffin.

-d


IMHO, you are one of the few people who seem to have a problem with TeamB,
Developer Relations, and Borland. I happen to think they are doing a
superb job given the resources that they have and the competition they
face. Having been a consultant and having run a software company myself, I
know from personal experience just how hard it is to be successful. I have
40+ years of experience in this field to back up my opinions. Do you have
comparable experience to back up your opinions?
 

Re: Delphi as a Career Choice in the United States

"Larry Drews" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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Having been a consultant and having run a software company myself, I
know from personal experience just how hard it is to be successful. I
have
40+ years of experience in this field to back up my opinions.
Perhaps one day, you will be successful enough to retire! Good luck to you!
I am really not as old as you; and yet, I will voice my opinions as I see
fit.
-d
 

Re: Delphi as a Career Choice in the United States

"Hrvoje Brozovic" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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"Captain Jake" writes

Pretty good excuse not to ever finish his famous newsreader.
I expected something like this for years.
No. Work on the newsreader continues at a pretty good clip right now. No
intention of abandoning it. Adding RSS capability right now.
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Everything contained in this post that is not quoted from others, is merely
an opinion. It may be a well-informed opinion motivated by an uncanny grasp
of facts and amazingly well-formulated theories, but it remains opinion
nevertheless. I speak for nobody but myself, and even then I may get it
wrong from time to time.
 

Re: Delphi as a Career Choice in the United States

"Ingvar Nilsen" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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Hm.. wouldn't a good product reference help keep your career going??
I think so, which is why I am working hard to finish the newsreader,
especially to the point where I can post a copy on my website and refer
prospective employers to it.
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Or Get the RSS Feed at blogs.slcdug.org/jjacobson/Rss.aspx
Everything contained in this post that is not quoted from others, is merely
an opinion. It may be a well-informed opinion motivated by an uncanny grasp
of facts and amazingly well-formulated theories, but it remains opinion
nevertheless. I speak for nobody but myself, and even then I may get it
wrong from time to time.
 

Re: Delphi as a Career Choice in the United States

Nick Hodges [TeamB] writes:
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Lee Grissom writes:

>It's going to cost a
>lot in re-training and re-coding.

Once again, this makes zero sense to me.
I'd respectfully suggest that it doesn't matter if it makes sense
or not - it is what's happening in the marketplace. We (and/or
Borland) need to figure out how to combat it.
If even Delphi developers are looking at C# as something {*word*226} for
the resume, something's wrong with Borland's marketing to it is own
existing customers. I don't see Delphi being sold as a viable .NET
development platform. I have high hopes that Diamondback will
change that, especially if they hype up the "write in the better
Delphi language, and include C# code if you, for some insane
reason, really want to" angle.
With the continuing trend of PHBs buying Microsoft because it's
Microsoft, or buying anything not Delphi because they just don't
know what Delphi is, something's wrong with Borland's sales &
marketing to the PHB level. Selling VS.NET ALM solutions doesn't
do a darn thing for me as a Delphi developer.
-Brion
 

Re: Delphi as a Career Choice in the United States

"Brion L. Webster" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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Selling VS.NET ALM solutions doesn't
do a darn thing for me as a Delphi developer.

Right on.
 

Re: Delphi as a Career Choice in the United States

Dennis Landi writes:
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"Brion L. Webster" wrote...
>Selling VS.NET ALM solutions doesn't
>do a darn thing for me as a Delphi developer.
>

Right on.
I should clarify - selling ALM solutions that only integrate with
JBuilder doesn't help either. In my particular place, I don't see
ALM solutions ever helping me personally, but they might sway the
executive board to move wholesale to Borland. it is not likely, but
it's far more likely than me pushing Delphi as a superior
replacement to VS.NET.
And Dennis - no offense, but I am a little afraid to be painted in
your corner right now. Consider us in a small overlapping segment
of the Venn diagram. I generate enough controversy on my own! <g>
-Brion
 

Re: Delphi as a Career Choice in the United States

"Brion L. Webster" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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And Dennis - no offense, but I am a little afraid to be painted in
your corner right now. Consider us in a small overlapping segment
of the Venn diagram. I generate enough controversy on my own! <g>

Courage Brion!
 

Re: Delphi as a Career Choice in the United States

"Brion L. Webster" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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And Dennis - no offense, but I am a little afraid to be painted in
your corner right now. Consider us in a small overlapping segment
of the Venn diagram. I generate enough controversy on my own! <g>
What exactly are you afraid will happen Brion?
 

Re: Delphi as a Career Choice in the United States

Captain Jake writes:
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Adding RSS capability right now.
What is Adding RSS capability?
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Ingvar Nilsen
 

Re: Delphi as a Career Choice in the United States

"Dennis Landi" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>wrote in
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... I will voice my opinions as I
see fit.

-d

Dennis, of that I have no doubt! I was just interested in finding out if
your opinions had any weight behind them. My elderly mother has opinions
too. Perhaps I could get her to comment on Delphi, Developer Relations,
etc. Then we would have additional insightful commentary, don't you think?