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Re: Chrome - competition for Borland?


2004-11-09 11:01:52 PM
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"ozbear" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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If one is incapable of refactoring code manually, one should have
a different vocation. Indeed, if one habitually -writes- code
in need of IDE-assisted refactoring then one is either lazy,
incompetent, or both. (Re)Creating better code from trash
written by a clown might keep them in a job, or (best case)
teach them something, but its "usefulness" (machine generated)
is still in question.

I see the refactoring machinery as an interesting bell/whistle,
but certainly wouldn't put it in the useful category, yet, until
its goodness factor can be assessed and until it (re)writes code
better than me, which is highly unlikely.
Are you serious?
 
 

Re: Chrome - competition for Borland?

"marc hoffman" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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Now, what an awesome quote. Do you mind if i print and frame this nugget
of
wisdom for my office wall?
Nobody cares *what* you put in your bathroom.
 

Re: Chrome - competition for Borland?

Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] writes:
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Since they WILL be releasing a Win64, they should have a compiler for
it, so people can start writing software for it.
More to the point, they need a compiler to generate Win64 in the
first place. They need to release the compiler for the DDK. Selling the
compiler for application development is just extra money for stuff
they'd need anyway.
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Re: Chrome - competition for Borland?

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You can disagree what you like. To many people who know Delphi, at
first sight, it will look like Delphi. How many people know the
original Object Pascal?
anyone who used Delphi 6 or below? <gd&r>
 

Re: Chrome - competition for Borland?

"Alessandro Federici" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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That actually depends on your definition of Object Pascal.
True.
 

Re: Chrome - competition for Borland?

Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] writes:
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Only ONE of their languages supports native 64 bit, or
in fact native compilation at all.
It also happens to be the one language their OS is written in.
So as long as their 64-bit OS exists, the compiler will exist.
A reassuring certainty.
--
Arthur Hoornweg
(please remove the ".net" from my e-mail address.
I had to take this measure to counteract SPAM
flooding my mail box)
 

Re: Chrome - competition for Borland?

"Captain Jake" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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"marc hoffman" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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>[..] my office wall?
Nobody cares *what* you put in your bathroom.
What do we owe this pearl of wisdom and grace to? <G>
 

Re: Chrome - competition for Borland?

"Alessandro Federici" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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I have countless examples that told me, over the years, that this is often
the best of the two possible routes.
So, was RemObjects 3.0 a complete rewrite instead of an update of the
RemObjrcts 2.0 code? Will RemObjects 4.0 be a complete rewrite from scratch?
What about the second version of RemObjects for .NET? Will that be a
complete rewrite as well?
 

Re: Chrome - competition for Borland?

"marc hoffman" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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>You can disagree what you like. To many people who know Delphi, at
>first sight, it will look like Delphi. How many people know the
>original Object Pascal?
anyone who used Delphi 6 or below? <gd&r>
ROTFLMAO!!!
 

Re: Chrome - competition for Borland?

"Alessandro Federici" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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We have them, as you could see in our past replies in which we gently ask
people to post there, instead of here.
Where I have been threatened repeatedly with censorship. No thanks.
 

Re: Chrome - competition for Borland?

"Chris Burrows" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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"Captain Jake" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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>"Chris Burrows" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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>>Sooner or later I'd have had to spend some time modifying the code
so
>>that I could get rid of D5.
>
>Why did you need to get rid of D5? Were your users telling you that they
>were having a hard time using the application because of something
>intrinsic
>to D5?
>

Why keep D5 when I have Delphi 7 - apart from having to support applications
that
will not port from D5 to Delphi 7 because something has been dropped from
Delphi?
This has become circular. You said you HAD to get rid of D5, and the
complications from this led you to switch to .NET. Now you say when asked
why you had to get rid of D5 that you see no reason to use it when you have
D7. Together that makes no sense.
 

Re: Chrome - competition for Borland?

Alessandro Federici writes:
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Well, we have cancelled probabily 4 posts in 3 years but believe me,
they do know who cancelled them as I want them to :)
Change that immediately!
When someone is executed, the delinquent doesn't know which one in the
platoon has the sharp ammo and which is firing blanks.
Apply this principle!
--
Ingvar Nilsen
 

Re: Chrome - competition for Borland?

Eric Grange writes:
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>Why not?

Because history never repeats itself in exactly the same fashion?
This should be obvious given what happened during the last century.
Really? I see a lot of repeats in the last century. You certainly can predict
the future based on past trends. More importantly you can learn a lot about
mistakes by studying the past.
So what is going to be the deciding factor for all the companies out there to
rush out and replace at the cost of billions of dollars all the fully functional
Win32 machines and switch everyone on the desktop over to Win64? Word isn't
going to be running any faster.
For a vast majority of companies there is no reason to go to 64 bits for the
most of their employees. There are just a few small corner apps (for every 1
CAD user there are probably 1000+ Word users) that will benefit on the desktop.
On servers databases are the obvious first choice to benefit from 64 bits, but
how many databases are being written in Delphi?
Once again - where is Borland's market. Not yours. This has to do with how
many copies of Delphi Borland can sell and right now there is a very small
number of Win64 developers out there compared to other market segments they can
concentrate on. The ratio of Win32 to Win64 machines is staggering and unless
there is some huge reason for businesses to migrate to Win64 machines in the
near future they won't. Over and over again I have asked the question of what
Win64 killer app is out there to cause such a migration and no one to date has
named it. It just isn't there. I don't see any reason why there will be quick
adoption of Win64 on the desktop which is where most apps are written for and
where the largest developer market is which is what Borland sells to.
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Eric
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Re: Chrome - competition for Borland?

Chris Burrows writes:
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"Jeff Overcash (TeamB)" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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>
>Chris Burrows writes:
>>
>>
>>It is not a good idea to use Windows history for comparisons. We were
>>using
>>SCO Xenix 386 as a 32-bit development system back in 1987. AFAIR, at one
>>stage we had eight users on a 386 box, using C development tools and
>>Microsoft Word. It was another eight years before Windows had caught up
>>sufficiently for us to switch over to using that as a development
>>platform.
>>
>
>Why not? A vast majority of machines today run some form of Windows. Why
>isn't
>looking at the {*word*109} OS in the world today a good idea? We see just
>how far
>SCO Xenix has made it in the world as a development platform even though
>it was
>early to the 32 bit world. Your example seems to back Borland's waiting
>until
>the market is mature enough since SCO clearly is no where significant in
>the
>development market in the 32 bit world even though it went after an
>immature
>market early on.
>

Lucky we didn't try to predict the future then and sit around waiting for
Windows to become the {*word*109} OS. We'd have missed out on about $30m
dollars of income as a result.

So IOW about 1 quarter of Borland's revenue for Delphi. So you sold 30m of
development tools to developers for Xenix? Borland doesn't sell to end users
they sell to developers. How many sells of Delphi would Borland have made to
your team? 10? Less? It isn't and has never been about your revenue
possibilities it is about the market that Borland can sell to. There has to be
a large enough market of DEVELOPERS interesting in purchasing the tool to make
it worthwhile to go after. Currently the largest developer market is Win32
followed by .NET. Win64 developer market is still very small in comparison and
potentially won't be growing at a fast rate unless something changes to make
Win64 adoption on the desktop necessary.
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Chris Burrows
CFB Software
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Jeff Overcash (TeamB)
(Please do not email me directly unless asked. Thank You)
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher
a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build
a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act
alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer,
cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for
insects. (RAH)
 

Re: Chrome - competition for Borland?

"Alessandro Federici" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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"Captain Jake" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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>"marc hoffman" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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>>[..] my office wall?
>Nobody cares *what* you put in your bathroom.

What do we owe this pearl of wisdom and grace to? <G>
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AUTHOR IN THE WORLD! <g>