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Re: Why wasn't the Delphi 7 update announced on Delphi Direct?


2004-05-25 07:28:58 PM
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John Kaster (Borland) writes:
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>You just demean Delphi users when we read what you wrote
>differently

Is this a joke, or are you actually serious?
I'd say he's serious. Do you not see a problem JK? Really - I mean, is
that why we're at such opposite ends here because you don't think you
represent yourself and Borland poorly?
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.... being intentionally
condescending, as Derek and Marc are.
<sigh>See what I mean? You can not even try and make a point without a
senseless dig at newsgroup users.
Are you trying to alienate us further? Are you trying to create an 'us
vs them' culture? Are you so arrogant that anyone who takes an opposite
view to you is obviously wrong and must be publicly denigrated?
How does *any* of this fit into your job title of 'Developer Relations'?
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Re: Why wasn't the Delphi 7 update announced on Delphi Direct?

Dan Miser writes:
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I would much rather see JK continue to post his off-the-cuff,
striaght-forward posts as opposed to some watered down
CustomerServiceBot.
That's fine. Though why the opposite to JKs manner is considered a
watered down CustomerServiceBot is a little beyond me.
I'm sure we'd all be happy with a professional Customer Service
Representative that can impart the information in a polite and
respectful way.
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Re: Why wasn't the Delphi 7 update announced on Delphi Direct?

At 13:21:12, 25.05.2004, Derek Davidson writes:
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If it were one message in isolation I'd agree. But it is not.
Oh, I am sure you can find fault in everyhing he does. But IMO it takes a
certain negative mindset to do so.
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Re: Why wasn't the Delphi 7 update announced on Delphi Direct?

Derek Davidson writes:
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<sigh>See what I mean? You can not even try and make a point without
a senseless dig at newsgroup users.

Are you trying to alienate us further? Are you trying to create an 'us
vs them' culture? Are you so arrogant that anyone who takes an
opposite view to you is obviously wrong and must be publicly
denigrated?
The irony is flowing as thick as ever.
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Re: Why wasn't the Delphi 7 update announced on Delphi Direct?

Carl Caulkett writes:
# I would rather DD would just go away without a replacement.
There's an IDE option to do just that.
 

Re: Why wasn't the Delphi 7 update announced on Delphi Direct?

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) writes:
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I don't like
how some people like to twist his attitude into something it isn't.
Who are you alluding to and on what basis?
JK is what he writes. People will gain an impression of him based on
that. If JK is not able to write what he means and instead leaves his
statements open to interpretation, people will interpret them.
I think it is reasonable to assume that you know him better than most of
us (certainly better than me). And maybe you've met him in person and
so have a better understanding of how he presents himself. That being
the case, maybe your impression of him is more accurate. But all I
(and the majority of others, I will wager) have to go on is his newsgroup
persona.
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Re: Why wasn't the Delphi 7 update announced on Delphi Direct?

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) writes:
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some people here will find a way to make
it come across in a negative way.
There is no {*word*97} against JK. He is hoist by his own petard. He
says the words. If he is incapable of writing what he means and said as
much we'd all be a little more understanding. But he doesn't. He'd
rather berate ng users for mis-interpreting his meaning instead. In
Customer Service terms, that just plain sucks.
People misinterpret what I write all the time, but I don't blame them
for that. it is a facet of the electronic writing age (and why most of
us try going to such pains to use emoticons).
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If he is friendly, he'll be called
sarcastic. If he is terse, he'll be called rude. Etc.
That's called a {*word*97} theory and should rightly be filed with the
X files, not used in a reasoned discussion.
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Re: Why wasn't the Delphi 7 update announced on Delphi Direct?

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) writes:
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Oh, I am sure you can find fault in everyhing he does.
I could, yes. But I don't.
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Re: Why wasn't the Delphi 7 update announced on Delphi Direct?

"Nelson F." <nbospam>writes:
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and maybe they are most of the time. But I have had past experiences myself
that lead me to believe that JK is lousy at the "relations" part of the job.
Moving JK to an area with no developer contact might be a step in the right direction.
 

Re: Why wasn't the Delphi 7 update announced on Delphi Direct?

"John Kaster (Borland)" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes:
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No, it evidently wouldn't. I made that exact statement, but in
different words, and still got tons of grief for it.
A course in interpersonal relations might be a good idea.
 

Re: Why wasn't the Delphi 7 update announced on Delphi Direct?

"John Kaster (Borland)" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes:
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it's astounding that several of you are finding this concept so hard to
grasp.
Do you have to be rude ?
 

Re: Why wasn't the Delphi 7 update announced on Delphi Direct?

"Derek Davidson" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes:
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How does *any* of this fit into your job title of 'Developer Relations'?
Perhaps MS is employing him.
 

Re: Why wasn't the Delphi 7 update announced on Delphi Direct?

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>Anyway, whether he was or not is not the point. If he _came across_ to
>some people as having done so, he has an issue as a customer/developer
>relations guy.

I think that whatever John does, some people here will find a way to make
it come across in a negative way. If he is friendly, he'll be called
sarcastic. If he is terse, he'll be called rude. Etc.
And if some people see a spade, they'll call it a spade. What's your point?
Lauchlan M
 

Re: Why wasn't the Delphi 7 update announced on Delphi Direct?

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>Putting aside that you are changing the topic, do you take it that
>relating to developers is not part of the developer relations' job
>description?
I'm sure that relating to developers is part of the job description.
Considering that there are millions of developers, time would be better
spent on the greater number of them, rather than attempting to placate
a few where it is more than likely a futile exercise.
Dave, let's focus the question:.
I presume that John K has other tasks, and relates to some (but not all) of
the millions of developers out there during his working day. But, right now,
in this thread, is John K relating to any Delphi developers, or not?
What does seem to have happened is that you suggest the irrelevant red
herring that there are millions of other developers out there, and then seem
to suggest that the fact that other developers exist (although John might
never know their names, email them or talk to them) makes it irrelevant how
John interacts with the people he does actually interact with or represent
himself and his company to them through that interaction.
Lauchlan M
 

Re: Why wasn't the Delphi 7 update announced on Delphi Direct?

"ckd" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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A programmer or other mole-type may have no reason to care about
public perception
Public perception? What does that have to do with this? A few malcontents in
a newsgroup are NOT the public.