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2006-11-20 04:38:00 PM
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I notice there are an average 5 posts a month in isapi web broker. The
question has been asked before but where is everybody? The answer then is
that web broker is a mature technology and no one has a need to ask
quertions anymore. That would certainly be my experience, but what is
everybody using nowadays? Maybe intraweb?
As for myself, I have such a large base of code that i can just use my
favourite programming tool (cut/paste) and pretty much get what I need and
so have never needed to explore intraweb. My one expedition into web snap
was a bit reminiscent of the paradox framework so I didn't bother to go down
that path.
I have one substantial app which uses internet express with some mods or
just plain HTML with javascript and MDWeb for session management and that is
all I need. But I am getting bored....what's everyone using?
 

Hi Mark!!!
I'm using InternetExpress in a large application (>300 actions ). I build
a of mods on it (xmldb & xmldisp), and for me, it is the best way to develop
"desktop-like" Internet apps.
XML Recordsets in a event-driven programming on client-side, it is all I need
to explore all potential of Document Object Model (DOM) to produce uniques
Web-Interfaces!
I have dynamic dbgrids...dynamic dbtreeviews...checkboxes(!!! yes it's
possible !!!)custom renders...AJAX-like features to request XML
packets...It's a unique framework!
Recently I convert my old ApplicationServer from BDE (*&^#*^%@&^%$&@$&^%) to
ADO, and the app has become to more powerfull, and I get real response-times
improvements...
I'm so happy that other developers still using InternetExpress, instead of
Borland posture about it...Why Borland???
Any Team-B can explain what happens with IE evolution? There are any Team-B
listen us on this NG???
I, a poor developer, was capable to improve InternetExpress myself, so
imagine what Borland-Team can do???
I think that we r alone on this NG... :(
How about a InternetExpress-AJAX integration? With Borland support, we must
handle this alone!!!
Don't get bored...
Long Life to InternetExpress and to the best programming tool
(copy'n'paste)!!!
AdamStefanCosta
InternetExpress++ Evangelist (ehehehehehehehe)
"Mark Horrocks" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes

Mark Horrocks writes:
- mostly reporting.
 

Well that is refreshing to know I am not the last using web broker!
It may not be as RAD as Intraweb but once you have a library of stuff it
does give good control. I could do with some of the fancier stuff such as as
data aware grids. I will also have another look at Intraweb with the Ajax
stuff added in, I wasn't aware of that.
"Wilbert van Leijen" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes

Hi Mark...
What mods do u make in Internet Express?
"Mark Horrocks" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes

Most of the web stuff I write is still webbroker apache dso modules. Lately
I've been playing around with Intraweb Pagemode forms and find it to be a
really nice way to do admin forms and still have other webbroker actions for
serving content. I am hoping to convert an older intraweb appmode project
into pagemode and merge it with another webbroker project, if it works I'll
have the best of both worlds.
DD
 

allow buttons to get the record PK.
2. Installed the InetXCustom componenets from Demos/Midas/InternetExpress.
I have not done any custom mods, haven't needed to. I note that Borland
never fixed linkfields.pas from Delphi 5 to 7
 

considered trying to port my 300+ action ISAPI to Intraweb.
Mark
www.sportdata.com.au
 

I use WebBroker but I use it only to get the web request and do not use its Page
Producers the way they were intended and use the actions only to get the
request.
I have my own architecture, here it is:
I have basically one action that accepts *.xsl. My page generation is done by
XSL because it is much more powerful than tag replacement in PageProducers. My
application is made of many XSL pages on the hard drive, these XSL pages have an
embedded tag into them named "uses" which is a comma delimited list of XML
section names required by that page. for instance UsesData="user,product" which
would create 2 nodes, a user data node that might contain their name and
security level and product which would contain a product information node. So
when a user requests page abc.xsl then my isapi loads it, parses out the uses
tag then builds the xml structure then calls MSoft MSXML to run the xsl page.
For form submitting, I use a hidden tag name _Command. Anytime a form is
submitted, my isapi reads the value of this tag and then executes a routine
based on the value. For instance _Command="UpdateUser", or _Command="SendMail".
I also get a little fancier, my pre-processor allows the insertion of dynamic
XSL code. Meaning that I can have a tag name <#CompanyDropDown list="01, 05,
30">and then my delphi code inserts XSL code to create the drop down list and
select the active one.
-Bill Egge
ISAPI Tools
www.eggcentric.com
"Mark Horrocks" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes

Hi,
the feature we uses most in delphi are Webbroker (and IBX) to build our
own CMS (with more than 50 Webpages)
approved - so there is no much problems (for my choice), and because of
this no much questions.
Intraweb I don't uses... ASP.NET is (for my choice) not stable and don't
have the performance of Webbroker.
with best regards
Nils Bödeker
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by the disparaging comments about Delphi dying but it seems this is
obviously not the case.
William, your tecnique of using XSL pages is very interesting. I had thought
some time ago that this would be the way to go but the learning curve was a
little steep for me polus the need to use the MSXML parser. I have very
little experience in this area, restricted to using Javascript and HTML for
my page output.
Should you ever find time, I'd really appreciate it if you could write
some guidelines on where and how to achieve this, maybe some pointers to
some reading that could show me how to get going with this.
Cheers
Mark
www.sportdata.com.au
anyone interested can log in with a user name and password of horrocks to
see what I have done, criticism and abuse welcome. If too much traffic hits
the server I will just cancel the login!
 

Does your post have your correct email address? I can send you an email if I
ever create a how to.
-Bill
 

Yes, it is XXXX@XXXXX.COM.
Thanks for the offer Bill!
Mark
"William Egge" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes

Mark,
I use the heck out of webbroker up thru Delphi 2007 which I am now converting to.
Its a bit tricky debuggin in the new XP environment so I even run a VMWare
NT4 partition to debug in because it is just so convenient. I am going to
eventually have to change debugging techniques but would **never** switch
from Webbroker. It is just too fast and I have absolute control over what
happens. My app is large and complex and my response time is sub-second with
webbroker.
I develope screens with DreamWeaver and use ADO against MS SqlServer and ..
yes it gets boring .. but it always works and I sleep at night.
Del
 

Hear hear.
BTW, I have no problems debugging with Web App De{*word*81} (D7/XP, soon
moving to D2007).
Hans van Leth.