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Maxwell Smart

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Re: Borland is neglecting Delphi for Win32 badly


2005-01-20 07:26:35 AM
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Nick Hodges [TeamB] writes:
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I'll ask again: How come all cars don't have V-8 engines?
Because:
1) Nobody NEEDS them.
2) They produce a great amount of POLLUTION
3) Everything works fine WITHOUT them
Hmmm...notice how all three of those things also apply to dot net?
1) Nobody NEEDS dot net
2) Dot net produces a great amount of POLLUTION
3) Everything works fine WITHOUT dot net.
 
 
Maxwell Smart

Delphi Developer

2005-01-20 07:38:47 AM

Re: Borland is neglecting Delphi for Win32 badly

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:16:03 +0100, "Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]"
<XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes:
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I have a big engine, and I love to drive fast (did 70
km in 20 minutes today, on the Autobahn)
So what you're claiming is that you maintained an average speed of 210
km/h for 20 minutes?
 
Kostya

Delphi Developer

2005-01-20 07:55:21 AM

Re: Borland is neglecting Delphi for Win32 badly

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performance, but have other benefits. And often, we simply don't NEED
sheer performance, for most parts of our apps.
And who are "we", speak for yourself please not on behalf of everybody.
Kostya
 

Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]

Delphi Developer

2005-01-20 08:04:49 AM

Re: Borland is neglecting Delphi for Win32 badly

Kostya writes:
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>performance, but have other benefits. And often, we simply don't
 >NEED sheer performance, for most parts of our apps.
And who are "we", speak for yourself please not on behalf of
everybody.
I always speak for myself.
If I say "we", that does not mean I include people here, do I? If I
tell people here that we had a lovely holliday in Spain, we does not
inlcude anyone in this group.
Butr even if I did include people here, I was right. We (the computer
using part of humanity) often don't NEED sheer performance. We may WANT
it, even REQUIRE or DEMAND it, but we often don't NEED it. We may THINK
we need it, though.
(sorry for the caps, but it seems I NEEDed that to make myself clear.
<g>)
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solution is not beautiful, I know it is wrong."
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Ben Hochstrasser

Delphi Developer

2005-01-20 08:06:22 AM

Re: Borland is neglecting Delphi for Win32 badly

Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] writes:
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And often, we simply don't NEED sheer performance, for most parts of our
apps.
But it'd be considerate to make the most efficient use of all these CPU
cycles.
I have this aptly-named applet "CPUHog" that does nothing than drain the
battery of my laptop. FAST. (Well it was written for that).
I can see applications doing little yet consuming vast amounts of energy.
Other are battery friendlier. I wonder how much energy (coming from nucular
power plants) is wasted worldwide by substandard (efficiency-wise)
applications. Just because the "programming framework" (developers,
compiler builders, customers etc) didn't care, couldn't do better.
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Ben
 
Dave Nottage [TeamB]

Delphi Developer

2005-01-20 08:12:31 AM

Re: Borland is neglecting Delphi for Win32 badly

Eric Grange writes:
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>They have every right to be defensive if it is not a viable option.
I dunno, you usually don't get defensive when your position is solid.
OK, if you think the answer "this is not a viable option for us right
now" is being defensive, then that is your beef.
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Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]

Delphi Developer

2005-01-20 08:12:48 AM

Re: Borland is neglecting Delphi for Win32 badly

Ben Hochstrasser writes:
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Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] writes:

>And often, we simply don't NEED sheer performance, for most parts
 >of our apps.
But it'd be considerate to make the most efficient use of all these
CPU cycles.
Yes, unless I must give up something else for it, like safety,
security, etc. We do code try finally, although it costs cycles.
etc.etc.
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I have this aptly-named applet "CPUHog" that does nothing than drain
the battery of my laptop. FAST. (Well it was written for that).
More or less like the stress.exe app to hog your memory?
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Ben Hochstrasser

Delphi Developer

2005-01-20 08:16:24 AM

Re: Borland is neglecting Delphi for Win32 badly

Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] writes:
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More or less like the stress.exe app to hog your memory?
Much simpler: "While True do Application.ProcessMessages". 100% CPU. Power
consumption rises to ~45W.
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Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]

Delphi Developer

2005-01-20 08:20:37 AM

Re: Borland is neglecting Delphi for Win32 badly

John Jacobson writes:
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"Nick Hodges [TeamB]" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
news:41eed64b$XXXX@XXXXX.COM...
>I'll ask again: How come all cars don't have V-8 engines?
Because the auto market is very highly competitive, but also highly
segmented. The type of people who buy Volkswagen bugs are very
different from the type of people who buy Maseratis.
Generally the former are a bit poorer as well. <g>
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Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]

Delphi Developer

2005-01-20 08:23:20 AM

Re: Borland is neglecting Delphi for Win32 badly

Maxwell Smart writes:
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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:16:03 +0100, "Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]"
<XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes:

>I have a big engine, and I love to drive fast (did 70
 >km in 20 minutes today, on the Autobahn)
So what you're claiming is that you maintained an average speed of 210
km/h for 20 minutes?
Yes. The road was almost empty and dry, and I topped at 230, but had to
slow down for a few cars overtaking others, in front of me. Never been
home so quick before, though.
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Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] rvelthuis.bei.t-online.de
"Whether you think that you can, or that you can't, you are usually
right."
- Henry Ford (1863-1947)
 
Ben Hochstrasser

Delphi Developer

2005-01-20 08:25:40 AM

Re: Borland is neglecting Delphi for Win32 badly

Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] writes:
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Yes. The road was almost empty and dry, and I topped at 230, but had to
slow down for a few cars overtaking others, in front of me. Never been
home so quick before, though.
We have those Bimmer drivers here too. Except that they can /walk/ home
when caught...
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Ben
 
Maxwell Smart

Delphi Developer

2005-01-20 08:32:18 AM

Re: Borland is neglecting Delphi for Win32 badly

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 01:04:49 +0100, "Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]"
<XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes:
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Butr even if I did include people here, I was right. We (the computer
using part of humanity) often don't NEED sheer performance. We may WANT
it, even REQUIRE or DEMAND it, but we often don't NEED it. We may THINK
we need it, though.
Going by your brand of logic, we can also say that we don't NEED human
waste disposal systems in our houses and cities.
 
Will DeWitt Jr.

Delphi Developer

2005-01-20 09:17:10 AM

Re: Borland is neglecting Delphi for Win32 badly

Nick Hodges [TeamB] writes:
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You do realize that you are talking to, well "Microsoft" personified
in this particular case, right?
Yes, I understand that, and who better to take to task for .NET than
someone from Microsoft, right?
Will
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Will DeWitt Jr.

Delphi Developer

2005-01-20 09:17:56 AM

Re: Borland is neglecting Delphi for Win32 badly

Jim Cooper writes:
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No proof is proof enough, no authority is authoritative enough :-)
If the native code didn't have to jump through .NET hoops to get at the
data then the native code would be faster. This is indisputable.
Will
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Ingvar Nilsen

Delphi Developer

2005-01-20 09:22:32 AM

Re: Borland is neglecting Delphi for Win32 badly

John Jacobson writes:
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"Andrew Rybenkov" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
news:XXXX@XXXXX.COM...

>apparently he was not aware about Russian expedition that planned on 2012,
 >and preparations go at full force.

He didn't say it would not be tried, just that it would not occur.
Yes, bingo!
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