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Nick Hodges [TeamB]
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Nick Hodges [TeamB]
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Re: Desparate Cost-cutting at Borland2005-03-16 10:40:43 AM delphi107 Will DeWitt Jr. writes: QuoteI really hope there's an Update 3 in the pipeline to address the final Nick Hodges -- TeamB Lemanix Corporation -- www.lemanix.com Read my Blog -- www.lemanix.com/nick |
Craig
Delphi Developer |
2005-03-16 10:42:13 AM
Re: Desparate Cost-cutting at BorlandQuote
thrown out and replaced. Of course some of the code would have been reused, ie Win32 compiler, VCL, but the IDE is probably the most complicated part of the product and it is a brand spanker. -- Get Folio First - www.h3k.biz |
Lord Crc
Delphi Developer |
2005-03-16 11:40:14 AM
Re: Desparate Cost-cutting at Borland
On 15 Mar 2005 12:14:41 -0800, "Craig Stuntz [TeamB]"
<XXXX@XXXXX.COM [a.k.a. acm.org]>writes: QuoteCompany which is creating SDO is adopting it internally before - Asbjørn |
Lord Crc
Delphi Developer |
2005-03-16 12:02:26 PM
Re: Desparate Cost-cutting at Borland
On 15 Mar 2005 17:08:08 -0800, "Will DeWitt Jr."
<XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes: QuoteJake's comment may be they halt the entire release process to allow more dev/qa time, or should they proceed and release. I'm pretty certain there's a whole machinery involved in releasing a product such as Delphi, and I am pretty certain that this machinery can't be put on hold for an arbitrary amount of time and arbitrary amount of times, without affecting cost and reliability of the release. I think they were a bit optimistic when it came to the amount of dev/qa time neede for delphi 2005, but not very far off the mark. At least it seems we wont have to wait years to get a new patch, a very big improvement indeed I must say. - Asbjørn |
Will DeWitt Jr.
Delphi Developer |
2005-03-16 01:24:12 PM
Re: Desparate Cost-cutting at Borland
Nick Hodges [TeamB] wrote in <42379cab$XXXX@XXXXX.COM>:
Quote>I really hope there's an Update 3 in the pipeline to address the chewing through memory until I finally get fed up and end the IDE's task. This is all with the presumption that Borland /knows/ about these bugs which seems to be the line coming out of Borlanders. Will -- Want native support in Delphi for AMD64/EM64T? Vote here-- qc.borland.com/wc/qcmain.aspx |
Will DeWitt Jr.
Delphi Developer |
2005-03-16 01:48:23 PM
Re: Desparate Cost-cutting at Borland
Lord Crc wrote in <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>:
QuoteI have no trouble with understanding that they release a product with them. I don't think software companies should be encouraged to release software that for all intents and purposes is simply not ready for public consumption. QuoteI'm pretty certain there's a whole machinery involved in releasing a see how that could harm reliability. QuoteAt least it seems we wont have to wait years to get a new patch, a end of the road or I will be very disappointed given the progress that's been made in restoring my faith WRT updates/patches. Will -- Want native support in Delphi for AMD64/EM64T? Vote here-- qc.borland.com/wc/qcmain.aspx |
Edwin Walker
Delphi Developer |
2005-03-16 03:10:46 PM
Re: Desparate Cost-cutting at Borland
John,
With post like this, I think you are damaging the Borland blogging community. I read the Bauer Blog before your post and serveral times after. I never got that impression nor did I make any inference to the quality of D2005. IF, Borland management got wind of this they COULD decided that the whole blogging idea is bad and they COULD make a company policy against it. Which would be bad. Anyway, just be careful. Peace Edwin Walker "John Jacobson" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes Quoteblogs.borland.com/abauer/archive/2005/03/14/3075.aspx |
Jim Cooper
Delphi Developer |
2005-03-16 05:15:12 PM
Re: Desparate Cost-cutting at BorlandQuoteI'll agree to costs, but reliability is the heart of the issue being you include the fix? It might not work, or it might cause more problems than it fixes. This whole thing about reliability and why there are bugs has been discussed many time before. it is always a question of balance. People would complain if it was a long time until the next release and it was only bug fixes (remember the Delphi 7 release? <g>). People complain if there are too many new features and not enough bug fixes (remember every other release? <g>). Sometimes the same people are complaining. We've had explanations about release dates and how they can not be changed very easily, and how they have to be decided months in advance. Borland have to guess how much time everything (fixes and features) will take. Sometimes things don't go to plan, I guess. Annoying for all concerned, but if they get it wrong all they can really do is go the patches route. Cheers, Jim Cooper __________________________________________ Jim Cooper XXXX@XXXXX.COM Tabdee Ltd www.tabdee.ltd.uk TurboSync - Connecting Delphi to your Palm __________________________________________ |
Will DeWitt Jr.
Delphi Developer |
2005-03-16 06:21:24 PM
Re: Desparate Cost-cutting at Borland
Whatever excuse is given for shipping a broken product, in the end,
it's still just an excuse. Quite frankly if there's some issue with lack of resources I expect Borland to increase funding to the areas which lack said resources. In this case it is painfully obvious that the people in QA either need more help or need new staff because the ball was dropped with D2005. Patches are great, but that the product shipped with this many bugs is pretty stunning. D2005 is easily the buggiest version (in so far as IDE instability, etc) ever. I hope that D2005 manages to keep that crown from now on. Will -- Want native support in Delphi for AMD64/EM64T? Vote here-- qc.borland.com/wc/qcmain.aspx |
Captain Jake
Delphi Developer |
2005-03-16 10:53:20 PM
Re: Desparate Cost-cutting at Borland
"Nick Hodges [TeamB]" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
<42379c83$XXXX@XXXXX.COM> QuoteJohn Jacobson writes: Speculations can be wrong, and in this case it seems this speculation was wrong, which is a very good thing. However, I still stand by my opinion that Dale is probably no longer the right person to lead Borland, because it is obvious to me that Delphi 8 and D2005 were released before they were fully and properly QA'd, and this is reminiscent of the Pizzaman daze. -- ***Free Your Mind*** Posted with JSNewsreader-BETA 0.9.4.449 |
Nick Hodges [TeamB]
Delphi Developer |
2005-03-16 11:07:34 PM
Re: Desparate Cost-cutting at Borland
Captain Jake writes:
QuoteOf course I was speculating. If I thought I was dispensing facts, I QuoteHowever, I still stand by my opinion that -- Nick Hodges -- TeamB Lemanix Corporation -- www.lemanix.com Read my Blog -- www.lemanix.com/nick |
Nick Hodges [TeamB]
Delphi Developer |
2005-03-16 11:08:12 PM
Re: Desparate Cost-cutting at Borland
Will DeWitt Jr. writes:
QuoteThe two where the IDE just stops responding altogether eating up 100% -- Nick Hodges -- TeamB Lemanix Corporation -- www.lemanix.com Read my Blog -- www.lemanix.com/nick |
John Jacobson
Delphi Developer |
2005-03-16 11:51:59 PM
Re: Desparate Cost-cutting at Borland
"Nick Hodges [TeamB]" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
QuoteCaptain Jake writes: discredited by contrary proof, that is irresponsible. But saying what one guesses or suspects on a topic for which no information was actually available is very much like a statement of opinion. |
Bob Dawson
Delphi Developer |
2005-03-17 12:07:30 AM
Re: Desparate Cost-cutting at Borland
"John Jacobson" wrote
QuoteHow can a suspicion or speculation be "irresponsible"? |
Nick Hodges [TeamB]
Delphi Developer |
2005-03-17 12:08:36 AM
Re: Desparate Cost-cutting at Borland
John Jacobson writes:
QuoteHow can a suspicion or speculation be "irresponsible"? The /act/ of voicing your suspicion was, in my opinion, irresponsible. QuoteBut saying what one purely on speculation and opinion, it would be perfectly responsible for me to voice them here with an unfounded subject line? Come on, Jake. -- Nick Hodges -- TeamB Lemanix Corporation -- www.lemanix.com Read my Blog -- www.lemanix.com/nick |