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2005-05-04 12:50:43 PM
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marc hoffman <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>
your beliefs, or honest. It was directed solely at the effect your public
anti-Delphi statements are probably having on sales of RemObjects' Delphi
oriented products, and the reactions various RO guys and RO fans get when
they post here about RO.
I surely don't expect people to always say only good things about a product
on the newsgroups. I'd think you of all people would have realized I
don't think that way. But you need to wake up and smell the coffee when it
comes to your public image. Do you really think more people are going to buy
more product from someone who is always dissing the product in which those
products are hosted, just because they say they are being "honest"? That's
like buying car accessories from someone who finds cars unusable and says so
every chance he gets. Whether or not he is being honest when he says he finds
cars unusable is totally irrelevant.
I am going to be quite frank. Here is a direct quote from your post: "Delphi
2005 has been unusable for me in all my attempts" Presumably that includes
attempts to QA and test RemObjects products in Delphi 2005 as well. I think a
D2005 user might be quite justified in not buying any Delphi-oriented
libraries from someone who says they find D2005 totally unusable (especially
after update #2). In fact, they'd be quite reckless to make such a purchase.
How in the world can they be sure it will even work in D2005 if the vendor
can't even get D2005 itself to work? How could you possibly test a add-in for
something you can not even use? What kind of QA can you guys possibly be doing
anyway, if you can not even use D2005?
So which is it? Did you actually find D2005 useable afterall, and therefore
were able to QA and test RemObjects' various libraries on D2005, or were you
unable to use D2005 and thus unable to QA or test any of the RemObjects
libraries in D2005? In the first case, your prior unusability statement was
dishonest, but in the second case you destroy RemObjects' public credibility,
since it implies you sell product without even testing it in it is intended
target. Either way, you have screwed up here on this newsgroup, Marc.
So, let the attacks begin. I can take it. Honestly.
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"Captain Jake" <jake[nospam]@jsnewsreader.com>writes
what we believe in.
If a few potential customer aren't capable of seeing the value of a product
because one of his maker says he prefers blue to yellow or that he finds
something very {*word*99}py (and I am not hinting Delphi 2005 here, so don't even
read into my sentence), well, then be it. Neither one of us will lose sleep
on that. What I'd instead lose sleep on is telling my customers
something I don't believe in ("ever" or "anymore", whichever the case) in
order to be "politically correct". THAT is a receipe for disaster.
One thing is for either one of us to come out of the blue and start ranting
about something just because we woke up in a bad mood.
One thing is to answer expressing an opinion when asked or when in the
middle of a public conversation.
There's a VERY big difference between the two lines and that is fundamental
for answering your question.
VERY long time.
I don't have Delphi 2005 installed on my machine as a matter of fact, but
that has absoilutely NOTHING to do with us supporting it, testing it or
anything else.
doesn't really do you much good either.
I find a lot of thing unusable too: Linux or an Apple computer are one of
those. As for what Linux is concerned, does that "literally" mean it doesn't
work? Does that "literally" mean we don't support it or our stuff isn't
cross-platform? I hope you don't need an answer to these two rethorical
questions...
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My Captain,
been, as mentioned before a Delphi user for over 10 years.
quality of our products, so why would any thinking person make a connection
about the two?
of Delphi 2005, prior to Update 2; so whether Update 2.1* made things better
now, or not, is acualy pretty irrelevant to this discussion. (i'm saying 2.1
since Update 2 was "unusable" in the truest sense of the word - it didn't
even install).
against Delphi 2005, even if it /does/ blow in my face every 5 minutes, or
disappears or has whatever other problems (it's just gonna be that much more
painful for me; something i take upon me to satisfy those customers that
want to use our products with 2005). That still makes it "unusable" for all
practical purposes, and I am warning my customers "hey, our stuff works does
work with Delphi 2005, but from the personal experience we had while
porting/QAing, we must say we can not imagine Delphi 2005 fit for day-to-day
production work, at this time".
There's no contradiction there, at all.
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For your information Update 2 did install.I did install it.At the same time
i should add that i did not install over Update1.I had to reinstall delphi
2005 & Update 2 could be insatlled directly with out Update 1
Venkatesh
"marc hoffman" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes

NG? ISTM, the fact that you would do things differently doesn't mean RO
is not free to do what they want.
Are you trying to help RO? Are you trying to help Borland? Are you trying
to educate the community? Are you trying to promote yourself? Are you trying
to hurt RO? I am not sure what your motives are in your constant criticism
and advice to the RO guys; but it is clear that you've made your point and
they've heard you.
If you look back at this thread, it wasn't the RO guys that brought this
up...it was VT and you actively helped stir it up. They only responded to
accusations so I don't see how "every chance he gets" is an accurate statement.
If anything, it is you that continues to take opportunities to give criticism
and advice to the RO guys; worse, I think you are intentionally trying to
damage their business. They've heard you, we've all heard you...now please,
shut up.
I never interpreted that statement in the extremes that you've tried to pigeon
hole it into.
in public because of some personal disagreement/conflict that happened in
the past. Let it go Jake...get JSN released. Why do you care so much about
RO anyway? Move on.
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VT,
the dialog that popped up; I am so glad that you saw it installed here, now i
don't have to bother to download this "Update 2 Update" to try that one,
anymore... <g>
thanx.
 

Alessandro Federici <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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every time he tried using it is actually based on no real need or serious
attempt to use it for anything significant. In other words, marc is just
blowing a bunch of hot air. That is a claim I could accept, if you were to
use that as your explanation of Marc's tomfoolery here on this newsgroup.
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RemObjects. You might not like to admit it, but your opinions ARE a big part
of RemObjects, just the same way that Dale's public statements ARE a big part
of Borland's public image.
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marc hoffman <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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latest update. How does one QA against something one couldn't even figure out
how to install?
Keep digging.
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Captain Jake writes:
*unwillingness*. D2005 is not the problem, the people using that is the
problem.
Maybe Borland must ask to customers if they can fix simple problems or
dont before they sell a copy of D2005.
German.
 

Captain,
was unusable about it, and how i could "use" it to port/test our code while
still finding it "unusable" for real production work (writing code, opposed
to just /testing/ it against code written in another IDE, Delphi 7),
elsewhere in this thread. The only one that keeps blowing "hot air" here is
you, by putting words in people's mouths that they didn't say. Please stop
it.
 

Captain,
 

Captain,
QA whether i could "figure out" to install Update 2 on my system.