While I'm designing this server package with my company, we decided that we
need a News server. I remember the older Winshoes having NNTP Components
(albeit far from the model of Implementation separated from Interface) and I
just wonder.. Has anyone worked on making an NNTP Server component for Indy?

-Luke

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In article <3a7f02a0$1_2@dnews>, l...@dmisoft.com says...

That has been ported to Indy 8.00 and it should be easy to port your code
from Winshoes 7.

HTH.
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Yeah.. Right after I posted, I found the component nicely in alphabetical
order on the Servers tab.

It wasn't there before! I swear it!

-Luke

Not for INDY... but DXSock includes a full featured, RFC-compliant,
hi-performance, fully customizable NNTP Server component.

http://www.dxsock.com/

BPDX

On Mon, 5 Feb 2001 11:38:56 -0800, "Luke Croteau" <l...@dmisoft.com>
wrote:

Hmm.. Seems like you need to bone up on your competitors.

Indy has actually had a NNTP Server component since at least version 8.008B
(one of my other computers still has it loaded). I'm sure they had it at
version 8 also.
Besides that, just to let you know, I specifically referred to Indy because
it's free, it's open source, it works, and I've put a lot of apps together
with it successfully. Whereas DXSock is highly overpriced (in my opinion),
not Open-Source (although you sell the source, that doesn't make it
open-source), and very hard to use.

After a month of trying to work with the components, I gave up trying to use
the Demo components I downloaded.

Just for curiousity's sake though, where did you get the benchmark which is
on your webpage? There are no cites, and no links to the "independant group"
which performed the benchmark. That is something I would be interested in.

-Luke Croteau

Hello,

I understand you don't want to pay for the components you use, and
that's up to you, no problem.

But I don't understand why everytime I get in touch with a freeware or
opensource fan, they start smashing my product.

Surely you're not saying that AT&T or US Army or Inet Messaging or
American Airlines aren't able to evaluate a good product. They're all
using DXSock.

I can understand that INDY has many more fans than DXSock... it's
free! That's it. But you can't say DXSock is {*word*99} just because you
decided to use INDY.

The reason why we didn't mention the company which performed the
benchmark is: we had signed a NDA with them so we couldn't disclose
their name. Anyway now the NDA is over and I can say the name. It's
Sito Unico Srl, an italian IT company.

BPDX

Ozz,

(I assume this is Ozz)
I am not bashing your product. In fact, I believe it could be what I'm
looking for. You already have built some components which I would find VERY
useful (specifically, the ISAPI-Add-on for webservers).

The problem is, I don't have the money to shell out on a set of components
that might and might not work for me.

I downloaded the Delphi5 demo a few months ago and tried to work with it. I
found that I could not use any of the demos which you provided at the time
(webserver, ISAPI demo) because some components which were fundamental to
evaluate your product were not there.

The companies that use it are truly of no consequence. I produce
applications which are used by the US Navy, US Army, Royal Canadian Air
Force, Bellsouth, Several law enforcement agencies in the South-West US, as
well as several business which rely on some of the automated systems I have
setup. They choose my product because they trust my decisions.

I did not say DXSock is {*word*99}, and in fact, I would like to ask you where I
said, "DXSock is {*word*99}". I simply pointed out that I asked about Indy
specifically. And the reason I did this is because about 90% of my apps are
written with it. I have evaluated other components before (such as DXSock)
and the reason I haven't changed is there is (usually) no benefit to the
fact that I have to rewrite major sections of code.

For instance, I have an NNTP Server written with Winshoes 7.039, based off
of the demo which YOU provided. In order to update it, either I need to find
a new version of Winshoes (which would be Indy, with slight modifications),
or rewrite some code. Knowing the deadlines I have set, I found it more
product to cut to the point, go for Indy, and maybe at some other time
switch to a better set of components.

Indy meets my needs right now, and so far no other component can compete. If
you were to really show me that DXSock were better by and long, I sure as
hell would buy them, simply because if they were better, it would help my
production factor.

On the other hand, I did bash the fact that you don't know your competitors.
The fact that you stated Indy doesn't have an NNTP component, which they
have had since you wrote it in Winshoes, show that you really don't know
what you are talking about. Perhaps a bit judgemental of me, this is true.
But that still doesn't solve the fact that I am unable to properly evaluate
your company and its product, giving me no justification to switch.

Ahhh.. I was curious to see if my webserver could possibly stand up to the
ratings posted and, if possible, find an evaluating authority.

-Luke Croteau

staff@_takethisout_dxsock.com (BPDX Staff) wrote in
<3a815404.23859...@newsgroups.borland.com>:

Im not doubting - but thats not Federico's company is it? If so, that wouldnt
exactly be impartial.

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Hi Chad, this is Federico...

the tests were NOT performed by my company.
Why?  Because they wouldn't have been impartial of course.

Not only: my company in Italy (Internet Graffiti) is a new media agency,
not a software development company.
I've just found a company here in Italy to perform some serious tests
against our library and some other 3rd party tools.

But thanks for pointing this out, or I would have never had the chance
to clarify this. :-)

Federico
BPDX

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