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Michael Bec

Delphi Developer
Wed, 18 Jun 1902 08:00:00 GMT

Free Turbo Pascal 5.5 from Borland

Borland has just opened its brand new Community Web site for all Borland
developers. One of the goodies for the Turbo Pascal friends is the Turbo
Pascal 5.5, available for a free download.

http://community.borland.com/museum/

If you have friends who would like to check it out, let them know. Also
a great opportunity to have a affordable teaching tool for a programming
class in a school. Go Pascal!!!!

You can also browse the site, and let Borland know, what you
like/dislike about it. The newsgroup for the feedback is:

borland.public.community

Michael

 
Robert AH Prin

Delphi Developer
Wed, 18 Jun 1902 08:00:00 GMT

Re:Free Turbo Pascal 5.5 from Borland


In article <37972367.95798...@NOSPAMdaytonoh.ncr.com>,
  Michael Beck <michael.b...@NOSPAMdaytonoh.ncr.com> wrote:

Quote
> Borland has just opened its brand new Community Web site for all
Borland
> developers. One of the goodies for the Turbo Pascal friends is the
Turbo
> Pascal 5.5, available for a free download.

> http://community.borland.com/museum/

> If you have friends who would like to check it out, let them know.
Also
> a great opportunity to have a affordable teaching tool for a
programming
> class in a school. Go Pascal!!!!

> You can also browse the site, and let Borland know, what you
> like/dislike about it. The newsgroup for the feedback is:

> borland.public.community

I suppose this information will be added to the Mini-FAQ?

Robert
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Pedt Scrag

Delphi Developer
Wed, 18 Jun 1902 08:00:00 GMT

Re:Free Turbo Pascal 5.5 from Borland


Robert AH Prins <mailto:prin...@williscorroon.com> said:

[free downloads]

Quote

>> borland.public.community

>I suppose this information will be added to the Mini-FAQ?

Indeed. New version of Mini-FAQ Sun 25th.
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Jud McCran

Delphi Developer
Wed, 18 Jun 1902 08:00:00 GMT

Re:Free Turbo Pascal 5.5 from Borland


Robert AH Prins <prin...@williscorroon.com> wrote:

Quote
>> Borland has just opened its brand new Community Web site for all
>Borland
>> developers. One of the goodies for the Turbo Pascal friends is the
>Turbo
>> Pascal 5.5, available for a free download.

>> http://community.borland.com/museum/

That's great!  TP 5.5 is a VERY useable compiler and integrated
development system.  I prefer it to TP 6 and TP 7 in some ways.
And it has the fantastic indetraged de{*word*81}.  This is true RAD.

Jud McCranie

Frank Heckenba

Delphi Developer
Wed, 18 Jun 1902 08:00:00 GMT

Re:Free Turbo Pascal 5.5 from Borland


In <37972367.95798...@NOSPAMdaytonoh.ncr.com>,

Quote
Michael Beck <michael.b...@NOSPAMdaytonoh.ncr.com> wrote:
> Borland has just opened its brand new Community Web site for all Borland
> developers. One of the goodies for the Turbo Pascal friends is the Turbo
> Pascal 5.5, available for a free download.

> http://community.borland.com/museum/

> If you have friends who would like to check it out, let them know. Also
> a great opportunity to have a affordable teaching tool for a programming
> class in a school. Go Pascal!!!!

Is this allowed? I couldn't find any license statement in the zips
or on the web site. The fact that it can be downloaded from the net
does not necessarily mean that it may be freely used. Any
information to clarify the situation welcome.

Frank

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Pedt Scrag

Delphi Developer
Wed, 18 Jun 1902 08:00:00 GMT

Re:Free Turbo Pascal 5.5 from Borland


Frank Heckenbach <mailto:d...@spam.me> said:

Quote
>In <37972367.95798...@NOSPAMdaytonoh.ncr.com>,
>Michael Beck <michael.b...@NOSPAMdaytonoh.ncr.com> wrote:

>> Borland has just opened its brand new Community Web site for all Borland
>> developers. One of the goodies for the Turbo Pascal friends is the Turbo
>> Pascal 5.5, available for a free download.

>> http://community.borland.com/museum/

>> If you have friends who would like to check it out, let them know. Also
>> a great opportunity to have a affordable teaching tool for a programming
>> class in a school. Go Pascal!!!!

>Is this allowed? I couldn't find any license statement in the zips
>or on the web site. The fact that it can be downloaded from the net
>does not necessarily mean that it may be freely used. Any
>information to clarify the situation welcome.

Borland/Inprise have made the files publicly available from their servers
*without* any license statements as to restrictions as to what you can do with
the software. The original TP5.5 distribution contained a license statement.

In the absence of *any* statement as to what you are allowed (or not) to do
with your downloaded copy the, de facto, position is that you can do anything
you want as regards usage and making copies as it will be deemed to be
released into the public domain by the owners.

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Osmo Ronkan

Delphi Developer
Wed, 18 Jun 1902 08:00:00 GMT

Re:Free Turbo Pascal 5.5 from Borland


In article <fjf.19990724032...@gnu.de>,

Quote
Frank Heckenbach <frank@[NOSPAM.REMOVE.THIS]g-n-u.de> wrote:

>Is this allowed? I couldn't find any license statement in the zips
>or on the web site. The fact that it can be downloaded from the net
>does not necessarily mean that it may be freely used. Any
>information to clarify the situation welcome.

Come on, if Borland distributes them then sure you can use them for
your own programs. Distributing the compiled programs might be another
matter though (as they contain the RTL code). Similarly you may not give
your downloaded copy to another, everyone has to download himself unless
otherwise stated. (the fact that you get the SW free does not give you
any distribution rights)

Osmo

Osmo Ronkan

Delphi Developer
Wed, 18 Jun 1902 08:00:00 GMT

Re:Free Turbo Pascal 5.5 from Borland


In article <MPG.12044786546092ca989...@news.optus.net.au>,

Quote
Jon Tveten <jontve...@usa.net> wrote:
>In article <7nc3dm$...@kruuna.Helsinki.FI>, ronka...@cc.helsinki.fi
>says...
>> message in your reply and post it to the net. However, you cannot
>> without explicit permission put it in your web-page and distribute it
>> from there.

>And how are you going to prevent DejaNews to distribute your posting from
>their web-page?

Well Dejanews is legally a borderline case. Here such a server would be
illegal at least because of person register law. One might view that
DejaNews is part of the system so one can expect that the messages are
archived by it. It is not as if someone explicitly takes a single
message and copies it to his page.

Osmo

Jud McCran

Delphi Developer
Wed, 18 Jun 1902 08:00:00 GMT

Re:Free Turbo Pascal 5.5 from Borland


Quote
ronka...@cc.helsinki.fi (Osmo Ronkanen) wrote:
>Come on, if Borland distributes them then sure you can use them for
>your own programs. Distributing the compiled programs might be another
>matter though (as they contain the RTL code).

The licenses that originally came with these products said that
you can distribute compiled programs freely.  I'm sure that is
still the case.

Jud McCranie

Jud McCran

Delphi Developer
Wed, 18 Jun 1902 08:00:00 GMT

Re:Free Turbo Pascal 5.5 from Borland


Quote
ronka...@cc.helsinki.fi (Osmo Ronkanen) wrote:
>>The licenses that originally came with these products said that
>>you can distribute compiled programs freely.  I'm sure that is
>>still the case.

>Why should it be the case?

Common sense.  There was never any limit on the compiled
programs you distribute.  Now that they are giving away some of
the old compilers for free, it wouldn't make sense for them to
put limits on the COMs and EXEs.  And there's nothing on the
webpage or with the downloads to indicate any change in policy.

Jud McCranie

Osmo Ronkan

Delphi Developer
Wed, 18 Jun 1902 08:00:00 GMT

Re:Free Turbo Pascal 5.5 from Borland


In article <379bea07.94352...@news.mindspring.com>,

Quote
Jud McCranie <jud.mccranie> wrote:
>ronka...@cc.helsinki.fi (Osmo Ronkanen) wrote:

>>Come on, if Borland distributes them then sure you can use them for
>>your own programs. Distributing the compiled programs might be another
>>matter though (as they contain the RTL code).

>The licenses that originally came with these products said that
>you can distribute compiled programs freely.  I'm sure that is
>still the case.

Why should it be the case?

Osmo

Jud McCran

Delphi Developer
Wed, 18 Jun 1902 08:00:00 GMT

Re:Free Turbo Pascal 5.5 from Borland


Quote
ronka...@cc.helsinki.fi (Osmo Ronkanen) wrote:
>Common sense does not work in legal matters. Also your common sense is
>different than mine. My common sense says that one does not have the
>right to distribute copyrighted code unless specifically given
>permission.

Obviously the original "no nonsense" licensing agreement
concerning the compiled code still holds.  The fact that they're
now giving away the compiler shouldn't change that.  "Borland's
no nonsense license statement" in effect for those products
specifically states "Borland International grants you ... the
right to incorporate these routines into your programs.  You may
distribute your programs that contain these routines in
executable form without restriction or fee..."

Why don't you ask Inprise/Borland directly?

Jud McCranie

Osmo Ronkan

Delphi Developer
Wed, 18 Jun 1902 08:00:00 GMT

Re:Free Turbo Pascal 5.5 from Borland


In article <379a4553.117728...@news.mindspring.com>,

Quote
Jud McCranie <jud.mccranie> wrote:
>ronka...@cc.helsinki.fi (Osmo Ronkanen) wrote:

>>>The licenses that originally came with these products said that
>>>you can distribute compiled programs freely.  I'm sure that is
>>>still the case.

>>Why should it be the case?

>Common sense.

Common sense does not work in legal matters. Also your common sense is
different than mine. My common sense says that one does not have the
right to distribute copyrighted code unless specifically given
permission.

Quote
>  There was never any limit on the compiled
>programs you distribute.

Yes there is. It is called the copyright law. Borland can then make case
by case exceptions that they print on the manual.

Quote
> Now that they are giving away some of
>the old compilers for free, it wouldn't make sense for them to
>put limits on the COMs and EXEs.

Why not? Maybe they do not simply want others to create commercial
programs (even though the market for DOS is small) on tools that they
give away free. Also even if they intended to do so the fact that they
do not mention so is what counts.

Quote
>  And there's nothing on the
>webpage or with the downloads to indicate any change in policy.

There is no need. Why should anyone who downloads the compiler know
about any license agreements on packages that were sold?

Osmo

Frank Heckenba

Delphi Developer
Wed, 18 Jun 1902 08:00:00 GMT

Re:Free Turbo Pascal 5.5 from Borland


In <7neohk$...@kruuna.Helsinki.FI>,

Quote
Osmo Ronkanen <ronka...@cc.helsinki.fi> wrote:
> Common sense does not work in legal matters. Also your common sense is
> different than mine. My common sense says that one does not have the
> right to distribute copyrighted code unless specifically given
> permission.

That's why I asked in the first place. I don't really think they
don't allow it to be used or distributed, but legally, it's not
clear, AFAICS. After all, they call it a "museum", and in most
museums, one may look at, but not touch or even use the objects
shown... ;-)

Frank

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Jud McCran

Delphi Developer
Wed, 18 Jun 1902 08:00:00 GMT

Re:Free Turbo Pascal 5.5 from Borland


Quote
d...@spam.me (Frank Heckenbach) wrote:
>That's why I asked in the first place. I don't really think they
>don't allow it to be used or distributed, but legally, it's not
>clear, AFAICS. After all, they call it a "museum", and in most
>museums, one may look at, but not touch or even use the objects
>shown... ;-)

But most museums don't let you take the exhibit home.  If they
just wanted you to be able to se how it worked, they'd let you
use it online to run a program, but not make a copy of the
compiler or the compiled code.

Someone needs to ask Inprise/Borland themselves if we can
distribute code compiled with those compilers.  I'd ask, but I
don't want to ask a stupid question.

Jud McCranie

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