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John Kaster (Borland)

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Re: Delphi for Dot Net and Compact Framework


2004-09-25 05:39:32 AM
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Bryan Dredge in <41543ef2$XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes:
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Can anyone throw some light on when we are going to be able to target
mobile devices using Delphi technologies?
Diamondback can generate CF-compatible assemblies and executables
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Jim Cooper

Delphi Developer

2004-09-26 02:11:42 AM

Re: Delphi for Dot Net and Compact Framework

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>Can anyone throw some light on when we are going to be able to target
 >mobile devices using Delphi technologies?
Diamondback can generate CF-compatible assemblies and executables
So Bryan, you will be able to compile code, however, MS have not yet
released the code for designers or debugging support. You should be able
to target both PDAs and phones running the SmartPhone edition of PPC (or
whatever the longwinded name is) using the Compact Framework.
You will never (IMO) be able to target PalmOS or Symbian devices using
Delphi.
Cheers,
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John Kaster (Borland)

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2004-09-26 02:49:03 AM

Re: Delphi for Dot Net and Compact Framework

Jim Cooper in <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes:
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You will never (IMO) be able to target PalmOS or Symbian devices using
Delphi.
Never is a long time.
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Rob McDonell

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2004-09-26 06:31:33 PM

Re: Delphi for Dot Net and Compact Framework

John Kaster (Borland) writes:
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Diamondback can generate CF-compatible assemblies and executables
Do you have to use Winforms for CF, or can you use VCL?
--Rob McDonell
 
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]

Delphi Developer

2004-09-26 06:55:08 PM

Re: Delphi for Dot Net and Compact Framework

At 12:31:33, 26.09.2004, Rob McDonell writes:
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John Kaster (Borland) writes:
>Diamondback can generate CF-compatible assemblies and executables
Do you have to use Winforms for CF, or can you use VCL?

--Rob McDonell
The VCL.NET uses P/Invoke to call Win32 DLLs, so that is not a
possibility. I don't know if you can use WinForms.
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classified as a fatal disease." -- Edsger Dijkstra
 
Jim Cooper

Delphi Developer

2004-09-27 12:57:40 AM

Re: Delphi for Dot Net and Compact Framework

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Do you have to use Winforms for CF, or can you use VCL?
Winforms, taking careful note of what is not supported by the CF.
I would be surprised if VCL worked, as ultimately there are pinvokes
going on, and the PPC API is very definitely not the same as for a
desktop version of Windows.
Cheers,
Jim Cooper
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Lord Crc

Delphi Developer

2004-09-27 04:00:11 AM

Re: Delphi for Dot Net and Compact Framework

On 25 Sep 2004 11:49:03 -0700, "John Kaster (Borland)"
<XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes:
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Never is a long time.
I thought it was slightly longer than 97 days.
- Asbjørn
 
John Kaster (Borland)

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2004-09-27 09:59:05 AM

Re: Delphi for Dot Net and Compact Framework

Lord Crc in <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes:
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I thought it was slightly longer than 97 days.
Yes, it is.
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John Kaster (Borland)

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2004-09-27 09:59:25 AM

Re: Delphi for Dot Net and Compact Framework

Rob McDonell in <41569a6d$XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes:
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Do you have to use Winforms for CF, or can you use VCL?
Jim already answered. The demo Danny and I put together a few years ago
used WinForms with careful lack of advanced features.
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Jim Cooper

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2004-09-27 07:08:30 PM

Re: Delphi for Dot Net and Compact Framework

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>You will never (IMO) be able to target PalmOS or Symbian devices using
 >Delphi.
Never is a long time.
Feel free to prove me wrong :-)
Cheers,
Jim Cooper
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John Kaster (Borland)

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2004-09-28 02:39:10 AM

Re: Delphi for Dot Net and Compact Framework

Jim Cooper in <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes:
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Feel free to prove me wrong :-)
I hope we do!
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Jim Cooper

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2004-09-28 03:28:15 PM

Re: Delphi for Dot Net and Compact Framework

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I hope we do!
I hope so too, from a purely selfish POV. I am not convinced it would
make business sense for Borland to do that though :(
Cheers,
Jim Cooper
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John Kaster (Borland)

Delphi Developer

2004-09-28 03:51:56 PM

Re: Delphi for Dot Net and Compact Framework

Jim Cooper in <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes:
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I hope so too, from a purely selfish POV. I am not convinced it would
make business sense for Borland to do that though :(
Depends on what happens to PalmOS and Symbian, too.
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Hannes Danzl[NDD]

Delphi Developer

2004-09-28 04:37:38 PM

Re: Delphi for Dot Net and Compact Framework

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I hope so too, from a purely selfish POV. I am not convinced it would
make business sense for Borland to do that though :(
palm+symbian=big share of mobile phone and pda market.
and to be honest with you that market is a bit bigger than the windows market i
would say. I would expect a steep rise for the need of good development tools with
the upcoming smarter phones, which are already faster than you desktop pc 5
years ago :)
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Jim Cooper

Delphi Developer

2004-09-28 09:15:58 PM

Re: Delphi for Dot Net and Compact Framework

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Depends on what happens to PalmOS and Symbian, too.
Of course. I have my doubts about the size of the developer market
though. Some people are already making money from PalmOS tools, for
instance, but they are very small companies, by and large (is that an
oxymoron? <g>)
Cheers,
Jim Cooper
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