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Re: Tried Out Delphi 2006


2006-07-16 04:09:51 AM
delphi112
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>I'll stop {*word*75}ing when I get a refund, which I cannot get.
People who {*word*75} never get a refund for a reason.
People who can discuss and are able to actually
form an opinion and can write in a formal, reasonable
manner get a refund all the time.
Glad to know that civility and education are worth something.
But then, it makes me feel sorry for those who never learned.
Maybe I should start an advocacy organization for the latter.
<g>
 
 

Re: Tried Out Delphi 2006

Wayne Niddery [TeamB] writes:
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More public exposure for the product.

If you see 10 popular retailers selling a particular product instead
of just one, or just the mfg, it is an indicator that others must be
buying it, thus it might be worth looking at. If no-one buys from
those retailers, soon they'll stop carrying it.
K, but normally this doesnt change the support rights.
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Liz the Brit
Delphi things I have released: www.xcalibur.co.uk/DelphiThings
 

Re: Tried Out Delphi 2006

RHR writes:
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I've posted this multiple times before and I have never received a
resolution. All I have been told is that I was stupid for buying
Delphi. I am sick and tired of the lack of a resolution, and I'm
sick and tired of all the "works fine for me", "I'm happy, something
must be wrong with you", "not my problem", etc. waste of time
comments. Easy solution : a) fix the product, or b) give me a
refund. Also, fix the sales materials to point out the reduced
feature set.
Google remembers it a little differently.
Nick has specifically asked for feedback on problems with the IDE. I
think functionality that was previously available and even features
that are available but aren't installed by default both qualify. If
you want, this is an opportunity to get the legitimate parts of your
rant bumped up the priority list a little. Include as many *relevant*
details as you can, including QC reports and leave the hyperbole at the
door.
blogs.borland.com/nickhodges/archive/2006/06/27/25626.aspx
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Regards,
Bruce McGee
Glooscap Software
 

Re: Tried Out Delphi 2006

RHR writes:
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>"The ActiveX control wizard can be brought back in delphi 2006 by
>editing the windows registry.
>Create this registry value and set it to "True":
>"HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Borland\BDS\4.0\Type
>Library\ActiveXWizard" The ActiveX wizard will show up again if you
>have an activeX library open."

Yeah, I have tried that and it does NOT work. The option to create an
ActiveX control is NOT there. So, that is just wrong.
RHR - I have just seen your Delphi 6 Screenshot in the attachements NG. I've
uploaded the 'matching' one from D2006, after the registry tweak.
I'm not an activex guru, so I can not say if it works right or indeed at
all, but, AFAICT, the "ActiveForm" wizard is the thing you're missing.
BTW, If you haven't already seen it, check out this old blog post from
Chris Bensen.
"Where's activeforms in D2005?"
blogs.borland.com/cbensen/archive/2005/03/02/2836.aspx
HTH,
Roddy
 

Re: Tried Out Delphi 2006

RHR writes:
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>The attitude of jumping in every thread with the same comment just
>to put down BDS is what this community doesn't need. Delphi
>community is one of understanding and helping others. I have never
>seen a community as open and willing to help as this one.

Then get out more often. There's no solution been given to this
problem, but a lot of "I'm happy,{*word*222}you" comments.
I'm not defending "I'm happy,{*word*222}you" replies, despite this not
being the official Borland support method. However I don't think it's
correct either that someone is to justify a product as big as BDS based
on the exact feature that one is using and not there. it is like me
saying VB(Visual Basic) sucks because it doesn't end a line with ';', ok bad example
there, VB(Visual Basic) does suck, but I hope you get my point.
--
 

Re: Tried Out Delphi 2006

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I'm not an activex guru, so I can not say if it works right or indeed at
all, but, AFAICT, the "ActiveForm" wizard is the thing you're missing.

BTW, If you haven't already seen it, check out this old blog post from
Chris Bensen.

"Where's activeforms in D2005?"

blogs.borland.com/cbensen/archive/2005/03/02/2836.aspx
No!!!! Not ActiveForm!! ActiveXControl. NOT AT ALL the same thing!!
 

Re: Tried Out Delphi 2006

RHR writes:
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>Judging a tool by one feature you use and saying it is a peice of
>{*word*99}, in my opinion is not really valid. In addition, Anders IIRC
>has pointed out to you how to get these things working.
>Unfortunately I see that you have the same comment and jump in at
>every opportunity you see in a thread to comment how {*word*99} BDS 2006
>is because you can not get ActiveX working.

You don't recall correctly. He a) thought it was there, b) found out
it was missing, c) tried to say it was the same thing as creating an
ActiveX library from scratch, d) gave up because the feature was
indeed REMOVED.
You are correct, I didn't recall correctly. However, it is also true
that since Delphi 2005 IIRC (or Delphi 8), based on the project you had
active, different options appeared, and I thought maybe that was the
problem. In fact you can see that if you start an ActiveX library you
get like 10 different objects appear in ActiveX folder. In previous
versions you would get it all at once and get errors if you tried the
wrong combination. I see this as much more intuitive, but at first can
be misleading.
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Re: Tried Out Delphi 2006

"Liz" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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Wayne Niddery [TeamB] writes:

>More public exposure for the product.
>
>If you see 10 popular retailers selling a particular product instead
>of just one, or just the mfg, it is an indicator that others must be
>buying it, thus it might be worth looking at. If no-one buys from
>those retailers, soon they'll stop carrying it.

K, but normally this doesnt change the support rights.
3rd party won't give refunds on software for any reason. Borland won't give
refund because it was not purchased directly from Borland. So, yes, it
changes everything, and yes, I am still out $430.
 

Re: Tried Out Delphi 2006

"Hadi Hariri" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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RHR writes:

>>Judging a tool by one feature you use and saying it is a peice of
>>{*word*99}, in my opinion is not really valid. In addition, Anders IIRC
>>has pointed out to you how to get these things working.
>>Unfortunately I see that you have the same comment and jump in at
>>every opportunity you see in a thread to comment how {*word*99} BDS 2006
>>is because you can not get ActiveX working.
>
>You don't recall correctly. He a) thought it was there, b) found out
>it was missing, c) tried to say it was the same thing as creating an
>ActiveX library from scratch, d) gave up because the feature was
>indeed REMOVED.

You are correct, I didn't recall correctly. However, it is also true
that since Delphi 2005 IIRC (or Delphi 8), based on the project you had
active, different options appeared, and I thought maybe that was the
problem. In fact you can see that if you start an ActiveX library you
get like 10 different objects appear in ActiveX folder. In previous
versions you would get it all at once and get errors if you tried the
wrong combination. I see this as much more intuitive, but at first can
be misleading.
I really am so tired of telling this: THOSE OPTIONS ARE NOT THE ONES THAT
ARE MISSING!!!! "ActiveXControl" is the missing option and IT DOES NOT
APPEAR ON THAT PAGE BEFORE OR AFTER YOU DO THOSE STEPS/TWEAK THE REGISTRY OR
WHATEVER.
Please, for the love of God, does anyone else out there understand what it
means to create an ActiveX control -- not an ActiveForm -- from a
TWinControl??? Nick seems to "get" it, God bless him.
 

Re: Tried Out Delphi 2006

BTW, Liz, please stop posting these rationalizations. I am no idiot. In
fact, I appear to be one of only two people on this thread who even have a
clue what the missing functionality is, why it is important, and why it is
not just "my problem". The rest of you are just blaming the victim and
shooting spitballs.
 

Re: Tried Out Delphi 2006

RHR writes:
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No!!!! Not ActiveForm!! ActiveXControl. NOT AT ALL the same thing!!
OK. I assumed ActiveForm because a: You hadn't commented on my post
with the BDS 2006 ActiveControl wizard screenshot, and b: your D6
screenshot has "ActiveForm" selected.
Please check out the two screenshots I posted earlier in attachments
NG: If the wizards are 'present' but not working correctly for you,
then filing a QC report would be helpful. If they're NOT showing up,
then check you have applied the registry fix correctly.
Roddy
 

Re: Tried Out Delphi 2006

RHR writes:
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"Hadi Hariri" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
news:XXXX@XXXXX.COM...
>RHR writes:
>
>>>Judging a tool by one feature you use and saying it is a peice of
>>>{*word*99}, in my opinion is not really valid. In addition, Anders IIRC
>>>has pointed out to you how to get these things working.
>>>Unfortunately I see that you have the same comment and jump in at
>>>every opportunity you see in a thread to comment how {*word*99} BDS 2006
>>>is because you can not get ActiveX working.
>>
>>You don't recall correctly. He a) thought it was there, b) found
>>out it was missing, c) tried to say it was the same thing as
>>creating an ActiveX library from scratch, d) gave up because the
>>feature was indeed REMOVED.
>
>You are correct, I didn't recall correctly. However, it is also true
>that since Delphi 2005 IIRC (or Delphi 8), based on the project you
>had active, different options appeared, and I thought maybe that
>was the problem. In fact you can see that if you start an ActiveX
"ActiveXControl" is the missing option and IT
DOES NOT APPEAR ON THAT PAGE BEFORE OR AFTER YOU DO THOSE STEPS/TWEAK
THE REGISTRY OR WHATEVER.
Well, it does for me. I have posted the screenshots to prove it.
- Roddy
 

Re: Tried Out Delphi 2006

RHR writes:
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BTW, Liz, please stop posting these rationalizations. I am no idiot.
Please... one more rationalization from Liz this time... pretty please.
One more comes to mind...
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Holger
Blog: www.flickdotnet.de
 

Re: Tried Out Delphi 2006

RHR writes:
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I appear to be one of only two people on this thread who
even have a clue what the missing functionality is, why it is
important, and why it is not just "my problem".
It's not "just your problem", but it is certainly not "everyone's
problem". I know the feature is important to you, and - as I have posted
before - Devco's product feature matrices should spell out what's been
REMOVED from earlier versions as well as what's been added. Some
features inevitably NEED to go, but not being up-front about it just
stores up problems down the line.
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The rest of you are
just blaming the victim and shooting spitballs.
...apart from those of us who - despite your "attitude" - are /still/
trying to help you.
- Roddy
 

Re: Tried Out Delphi 2006

RHR writes:
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3rd party won't give refunds on software for any reason. Borland
won't give refund because it was not purchased directly from Borland.
So, yes, it changes everything, and yes, I am still out $430.
That would be illegal in the country I live in. You have a right to
return a product under a number of conditions.
--
Liz the Brit
Delphi things I have released: www.xcalibur.co.uk/DelphiThings