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dan palley

Delphi Developer
 

Re: Interesting Web Browser Replacement


2008-03-15 12:44:30 AM
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"Tim Sullivan" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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>We need to bring it in lime lite so that others know of this master piece
 >and stops being dependent on ever bloating M$'s IE.
Ever-bloating? IE is included with Windows as part of the OS, so you don't
need to deploy it, therefore the size is totally irrelevant. There are
other options to using IE if you want, including the now-freeware
THtmlViewer from www.pbear.com. Regardless, deploying embedded FF
or THtmlViewer is going to be bigger than using IE, since the download
size for IE is zero as far as your application is concerned.
And since html browsers are a prime vector for spyware/viruses, we'll have
dozens of them on our machines in various states that may never get updated,
as opposed to a single copy of IE or FF that auto-updates.
Dan
 
 
rap

Delphi Developer

2008-03-15 01:05:15 AM

Re: Interesting Web Browser Replacement

Even so, ... it would be nice to have embeded Firefox in Delphi apps
(without having to install a mozilla activex) just as we can easily embed IE
based viewer or browser. Why not a Firefox VCL control? I have'nt seen any.
"Tim Sullivan" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>a écrit dans le message de news:
47da893b$XXXX@XXXXX.COM...
Quote
>We need to bring it in lime lite so that others know of this master piece
 >and stops being dependent on ever bloating M$'s IE.
Ever-bloating? IE is included with Windows as part of the OS, so you don't
need to deploy it, therefore the size is totally irrelevant. There are
other options to using IE if you want, including the now-freeware
THtmlViewer from www.pbear.com. Regardless, deploying embedded FF
or THtmlViewer is going to be bigger than using IE, since the download
size for IE is zero as far as your application is concerned.

--
Tim Sullivan
Unlimited Intelligence Limited
www.uil.net
 
Yogi Yang 007

Delphi Developer

2008-03-15 07:46:13 PM

Re: Interesting Web Browser Replacement

Tim Sullivan writes:
Quote
>We need to bring it in lime lite so that others know of this master
 >piece and stops being dependent on ever bloating M$'s IE.
Ever-bloating? IE is included with Windows as part of the OS, so you
don't need to deploy it, therefore the size is totally irrelevant. There
are other options to using IE if you want, including the now-freeware
THtmlViewer from www.pbear.com. Regardless, deploying embedded FF
or THtmlViewer is going to be bigger than using IE, since the download
size for IE is zero as far as your application is concerned.

Here by ever-bloating IE I mean that now IE has become a Memory HOG!
 

Yogi Yang 007

Delphi Developer

2008-03-15 07:48:26 PM

Re: Interesting Web Browser Replacement

rap writes:
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Even so, ... it would be nice to have embeded Firefox in Delphi apps
(without having to install a mozilla activex) just as we can easily embed IE
based viewer or browser. Why not a Firefox VCL control? I have'nt seen any.


"Tim Sullivan" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>a écrit dans le message de news:
47da893b$XXXX@XXXXX.COM...
>>We need to bring it in lime lite so that others know of this master piece
 >>and stops being dependent on ever bloating M$'s IE.
 >Ever-bloating? IE is included with Windows as part of the OS, so you don't
 >need to deploy it, therefore the size is totally irrelevant. There are
 >other options to using IE if you want, including the now-freeware
 >THtmlViewer from www.pbear.com. Regardless, deploying embedded FF
 >or THtmlViewer is going to be bigger than using IE, since the download
 >size for IE is zero as far as your application is concerned.
 >
 >--
 >Tim Sullivan
 >Unlimited Intelligence Limited
 >www.uil.net

have you checked this
www.brainendeavor.com/modx/delphi-llmozlib-wrapper.html
 
Yogi Yang 007

Delphi Developer

2008-03-15 07:49:59 PM

Re: Interesting Web Browser Replacement

Brian Moelk writes:
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Yogi Yang writes:
>That is sad and bad news for the community.
The blog entry? ;)

No.
Your lack of interest in moving it forward. :)
 
rap

Delphi Developer

2008-03-16 03:49:22 AM

Re: Interesting Web Browser Replacement

A wrapper in C++ :)
The 3D Firefox based uBrowser is a nice experiment but very CPU consuming.
"Yogi Yang 007" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>a écrit dans le message de news:
47dbb758$XXXX@XXXXX.COM...
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rap writes:
>Even so, ... it would be nice to have embeded Firefox in Delphi apps
 >(without having to install a mozilla activex) just as we can easily embed
 >IE based viewer or browser. Why not a Firefox VCL control? I have'nt seen
 >any.
 >
 >
 >"Tim Sullivan" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>a écrit dans le message de news:
 >47da893b$XXXX@XXXXX.COM...
 >>>We need to bring it in lime lite so that others know of this master
 >>>piece and stops being dependent on ever bloating M$'s IE.
 >>Ever-bloating? IE is included with Windows as part of the OS, so you
 >>don't need to deploy it, therefore the size is totally irrelevant. There
 >>are other options to using IE if you want, including the now-freeware
 >>THtmlViewer from www.pbear.com. Regardless, deploying embedded FF
 >>or THtmlViewer is going to be bigger than using IE, since the download
 >>size for IE is zero as far as your application is concerned.
 >>
 >>--
 >>Tim Sullivan
 >>Unlimited Intelligence Limited
 >>www.uil.net
 >
 >
 have you checked this
www.brainendeavor.com/modx/delphi-llmozlib-wrapper.html
 
Brian Moelk

Delphi Developer

2008-03-18 08:33:46 PM

Re: Interesting Web Browser Replacement

rap writes:
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A wrapper in C++ :)
The wrapper in C++ is to merely to flatten it out so that I could write
a wrapper in Delphi. This is a pretty common technique when
interfacing with C++ code. The Delphi user won't see this stuff,
they'll just see external dependencies like dll's, etc. but interface to
the Mozilla runtime using Delphi code/components.
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The 3D Firefox based uBrowser is a nice experiment but very CPU consuming.
The only reason why it is CPU intensive is because I couldn't get the
callbacks working properly. At the time when I was experimenting with
LLMozLib, others were having the same issue, so I figured I would wait until
Linden Labs released a new version. Since then, I have lost interest. :)
If I were to do it again, I would look to integrate WebKit, but not with
their standard Windows build, because that build leverages COM. I'd
look to integrate something similar to what they've done with their GTK
build.
--
Brian Moelk
Brain Endeavor LLC
XXXX@XXXXX.COM
 
Brian Moelk

Delphi Developer

2008-03-18 08:34:11 PM

Re: Interesting Web Browser Replacement

Yogi Yang 007 writes:
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Here by ever-bloating IE I mean that now IE has become a Memory HOG!
Firefox isn't any better.
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Brian Moelk
Brain Endeavor LLC
XXXX@XXXXX.COM
 
Brian Moelk

Delphi Developer

2008-03-18 08:37:38 PM

Re: Interesting Web Browser Replacement

Yogi Yang 007 writes:
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Your lack of interest in moving it forward. :)
Eh...I'm ok with it. I am not the first and I won't be the last. :)
--
Brian Moelk
Brain Endeavor LLC
XXXX@XXXXX.COM
 
Tim Sullivan

Delphi Developer

2008-03-18 10:37:48 PM

Re: Interesting Web Browser Replacement

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>Here by ever-bloating IE I mean that now IE has become a Memory HOG!
Firefox isn't any better.
Indeed, Firefox 2 is way, way worse because of the prefetching it does.
Though Firefox 3 is pretty promising (as of Beta 4, anyway), and it seems to
have resolved the worst of the memory problems.
--
Tim Sullivan
Unlimited Intelligence Limited
www.uil.net
 
rap

Delphi Developer

2008-03-18 10:42:14 PM

Re: Interesting Web Browser Replacement

See:
blog.pavlov.net/
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"Brian Moelk" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>a écrit dans le message
de news: XXXX@XXXXX.COM...
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Yogi Yang 007 writes:
>Here by ever-bloating IE I mean that now IE has become a Memory HOG!
Firefox isn't any better.

--
Brian Moelk
Brain Endeavor LLC
XXXX@XXXXX.COM
 
rap

Delphi Developer

2008-03-18 11:07:41 PM

Re: Interesting Web Browser Replacement

So you are shooting yourself in the foot with a different gun ;)
"Brian Moelk" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>a écrit dans le message
de news: 47dfb698$XXXX@XXXXX.COM...
Quote
Yogi Yang 007 writes:
>Your lack of interest in moving it forward. :)
Eh...I'm ok with it. I am not the first and I won't be the last. :)

--
Brian Moelk
Brain Endeavor LLC
XXXX@XXXXX.COM