Re: Delphi 2005 Update 4

David Clegg

Delphi Developer

Re: Delphi 2005 Update 4

2005-07-24 05:48:53 PM
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Nick Hodges [TeamB] writes:

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I've asked for this feature. I would like there to be a "I can reproduce
this" item as well.
Just whack it into the web client anyway, Nick. We won't tell anyone ;-)

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Dave Nottage [TeamB]

Delphi Developer

2005-07-24 05:56:53 PM

Re: Delphi 2005 Update 4

Will DeWitt Jr. writes:

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That's like saying you should have to vote to save someones life
before you perform plastic surgery to correct someones crooked nose.
It's retarded. Of course you should save the life (fix the bugs)
first, then do the optional things after the patient (or product) is
stable.
Dealing with human lives is a really a poor analogy, since (hopefully)

no-ones life is at stake here.
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K. Sallee

Delphi Developer

2005-07-24 07:09:21 PM

Re: Delphi 2005 Update 4

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I had a car with an obvious
safety defect: no air bags.
I would call that a missing feature rather than a defect.

My car is not a convertible. Does that make it a tanning defect?
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Peter Morris [Droopy eyes software]

Delphi Developer

2005-07-24 07:30:29 PM

Re: Delphi 2005 Update 4

I would imagine that GM only recall the car if necessary. If the car is
safe + useable then they don't recall it.
Using the car metaphor I'd say that D2005 is both safe + useable

Peter Morris [Droopy eyes software]

Delphi Developer

2005-07-24 07:31:57 PM

Re: Delphi 2005 Update 4

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Comparing cars and software is as old as the hills, and as ridiculous
as a clown suit at a formal wedding.
That's a really good idea....

Peter Morris [Droopy eyes software]

Delphi Developer

2005-07-24 07:34:37 PM

Re: Delphi 2005 Update 4

He is talking historically, so "the CEO" is correct. When we learned
history at school we didn't keep referring to Henry VIII as "the former
king" :-)

Will DeWitt Jr.

Delphi Developer

2005-07-24 07:47:51 PM

Re: Delphi 2005 Update 4

Peter Morris [Droopy eyes software] wrote in
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Using the car metaphor I'd say that D2005 is both safe + useable
I wouldn't. If D2K5 were a car, then it'd be randomly blowing up while

I'm on the freeway. that is not a car I would drive, and it is a car I'd
expect the manufacturer to fix.
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Will DeWitt Jr.

Delphi Developer

2005-07-24 07:50:37 PM

Re: Delphi 2005 Update 4

Dave Nottage [TeamB] wrote in <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>:

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Dealing with human lives is a really a poor analogy, since (hopefully)
no-ones life is at stake here.
*shrug* I am just saying, there's a fairly obvious priority to bugs that

I think most people just assume Borland knows. I think the fix would be
to provide seperate votes for bugs and features, since really it
shouldn't be up to QC users to prioritize features over bugs (and vice
versa).
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Dave Nottage [TeamB]

Delphi Developer

2005-07-24 07:54:32 PM

Re: Delphi 2005 Update 4

Will DeWitt Jr. writes:

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>Using the car metaphor I'd say that D2005 is both safe + useable

I wouldn't.
Funny how exactly the same car can be fine for one person, and not the

next, eh?
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Dave Nottage [TeamB]

Delphi Developer

2005-07-24 07:57:41 PM

Re: Delphi 2005 Update 4

Will DeWitt Jr. writes:

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..a fairly obvious priority..
Funny how what is obvious to one person, isn't to the next, eh?

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Dave Nottage [TeamB]

Delphi Developer

2005-07-24 08:05:20 PM

Re: Delphi 2005 Update 4

Will DeWitt Jr. writes:

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..shouldn't be up to QC users to prioritize features over bugs
It's a good thing then that it isn't up to them.

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Will DeWitt Jr.

Delphi Developer

2005-07-24 08:12:32 PM

Re: Delphi 2005 Update 4

Dave Nottage [TeamB] wrote in <42e38178$XXXX@XXXXX.COM>:

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Funny how exactly the same car can be fine for one person, and not the
next, eh?
You're trivializing it. This isn't an issue of one car having air

conditioning and another not, or one car having good gas mileage and
another not. I stand by the anology I gave (which you removed)--
If D2K5 were a car, then it'd be randomly blowing up while
I'm on the freeway. that is not a car I would drive, and it is a car I'd
expect the manufacturer to fix.
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Will DeWitt Jr.

Delphi Developer

2005-07-24 08:14:26 PM

Re: Delphi 2005 Update 4

Dave Nottage [TeamB] wrote in <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>:

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>..shouldn't be up to QC users to prioritize features over bugs

It's a good thing then that it isn't up to them.
Well sure it is. Or else we wouldn't be hearing how people in QC

overwhelmingly vote for features everytime a discussion of QC bug
reports comes up. The attitude appears to be--
"Well if there's so many problems with Delphi, why are so many votes on
new features?"
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Oliver Townshend

Delphi Developer

2005-07-24 08:28:43 PM

Re: Delphi 2005 Update 4

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You're trivializing it. This isn't an issue of one car having air
conditioning and another not, or one car having good gas mileage and
another not. I stand by the anology I gave (which you removed)--
Trivializing it? The car analogy is wrong. A car has one basic purpose.

It takes you to destinations. It either works or it doesn't. A compiler
compiles programs. For some programs it works, for others it doesn't. A
clear difference.

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If D2K5 were a car, then it'd be randomly blowing up while
I'm on the freeway. that is not a car I would drive, and it is a car I'd
expect the manufacturer to fix.
If my Lancer was a computer program I could write programs by holding the

space key down and pressing the numeric keys :)
Oliver Townshend

Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]

Delphi Developer

2005-07-24 09:01:56 PM

Re: Delphi 2005 Update 4

At 11:48:53, 24.07.2005, David Clegg writes:

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Nick Hodges [TeamB] writes:

>I've asked for this feature. I would like there to be a "I can reproduce
>this" item as well.

Just whack it into the web client anyway, Nick. We won't tell anyone ;-)
If there is nothing behind the client to store it, it would be not much

use. <g>
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