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Devco to encourage VB(Visual Basic) users to migrate to Delphi


2006-08-05 12:05:23 PM
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<XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes:
>It is a shame that Borland did not have a program like this to target
>VB users.
"Nick Hodges (Borland/DevCo)" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>wrote
For once we are in agreement.
After all, how much would it have cost ?
For under $5K, you could:
A. Get together a mailing list ( buy one cheap or just harvest names from the MS VB(Visual Basic) development groups)
B. Email VB(Visual Basic) lusers
C. Set up a web page on migration
D. Add help entries on Delphi equivalents to common VB(Visual Basic) functions ( I
would outsource this, since your inhouse documentation guys seem to be
on {*word*110}) and provide this as a pdf file and as{*word*178}source.
And to really make it work, spend another $15k to:
E. Encourage an author to write "Delphi Magic for VB(Visual Basic) lusers" and
guarantee her a $5000 minimum payment.
F. Outsource to some talented Indians ( eg: www.iqss.co.in/
)and have them create a modest source code migration tool for the
commonest and simplest cases ( like Sun has done ). Cost $10K
So, for a total cost of $20K, you suddenly have a whole new market and
Delphi is no longer viewed as being passe.
Of course, this will never be done due to management inertia , failure
of imagination and lack of funding. :-(
 
 

Re:Devco to encourage VB(Visual Basic) users to migrate to Delphi

<XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes:
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Of course, this will never be done due to management inertia , failure
of imagination and lack of funding. :-(
You've grossly underestimated the costs, but overall, it is a good plan.
You did forget "hire a person to do the work" and "Stop taking all the
profits from DTG" and "Give a rats {*word*82}about the product".
Fortunately, it won't be long before that all goes away.
--
Nick Hodges
Delphi/C# Product Manager - DevCo
blogs.borland.com/nickhodges
 

Re:Devco to encourage VB(Visual Basic) users to migrate to Delphi

<XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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><XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes:
>>It is a shame that Borland did not have a program like this to target
>>VB users.

>"Nick Hodges (Borland/DevCo)" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>wrote
>For once we are in agreement.

After all, how much would it have cost ?

For under $5K, you could:
A. Get together a mailing list ( buy one cheap or just harvest names from
the MS VB(Visual Basic) development groups)
B. Email VB(Visual Basic) lusers
Of course, one thing that will put a kink in a migration (big time) is
"attitude". By sheer numbers, any small percentage of VB(Visual Basic) users who are
"winners" outnumber most other groups handily.
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C. Set up a web page on migration
D. Add help entries on Delphi equivalents to common VB(Visual Basic) functions ( I
would outsource this, since your inhouse documentation guys seem to be
on {*word*110}) and provide this as a pdf file and as{*word*178}source.

And to really make it work, spend another $15k to:

E. Encourage an author to write "Delphi Magic for VB(Visual Basic) lusers" and
guarantee her a $5000 minimum payment.
F. Outsource to some talented Indians ( eg: www.iqss.co.in/
)and have them create a modest source code migration tool for the
commonest and simplest cases ( like Sun has done ). Cost $10K

So, for a total cost of $20K, you suddenly have a whole new market and
Delphi is no longer viewed as being passe.
You both overestimate and underestimate the task... because you don't have a
grip on the issues that have made VB(Visual Basic) both effective and popular. Solving
the wrong problems, regardless of how well planned the solution, won't make
it happen.
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Of course, this will never be done due to management inertia , failure
of imagination and lack of funding. :-(
Fortunately for us all, Borland is soon to be a Has Been.
Dan
 

Re:Devco to encourage VB(Visual Basic) users to migrate to Delphi

Hey RamBum your still talking rubbish I see.
$5k would not cover setting up the meeting
to discuss the requirements for a mailing list.
Then you would need a Lawyer to check it
was all legally invited mailshots and not as
you suggest harvest from newsgroups.
If Devco did operate like you suggest then
maybe Borland should keep tight hold of
its Tools biz
Rita (or maybe Rudy as you say)
<XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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><XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes:
>>It is a shame that Borland did not have a program like this to target
>>VB users.

>"Nick Hodges (Borland/DevCo)" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>wrote
>For once we are in agreement.

After all, how much would it have cost ?

For under $5K, you could:
A. Get together a mailing list ( buy one cheap or just harvest names from
the MS VB(Visual Basic) development groups)
B. Email VB(Visual Basic) lusers
C. Set up a web page on migration
D. Add help entries on Delphi equivalents to common VB(Visual Basic) functions ( I
would outsource this, since your inhouse documentation guys seem to be
on {*word*110}) and provide this as a pdf file and as{*word*178}source.

And to really make it work, spend another $15k to:

E. Encourage an author to write "Delphi Magic for VB(Visual Basic) lusers" and
guarantee her a $5000 minimum payment.
F. Outsource to some talented Indians ( eg: www.iqss.co.in/
)and have them create a modest source code migration tool for the
commonest and simplest cases ( like Sun has done ). Cost $10K

So, for a total cost of $20K, you suddenly have a whole new market and
Delphi is no longer viewed as being passe.

Of course, this will never be done due to management inertia , failure
of imagination and lack of funding. :-(

 

Re:Devco to encourage VB(Visual Basic) users to migrate to Delphi

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Of course, this will never be done due to management inertia , failure
of imagination and lack of funding. :-(
Well. Plus the fact that in general SPAMMING is a very bad idea.
Especially when you're talking about harvesting e-mail addresses.
M
 

Re:Devco to encourage VB(Visual Basic) users to migrate to Delphi

Nick,
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You've grossly underestimated the costs, but overall, it is a good plan.
You did forget "hire a person to do the work" and "Stop taking all the
profits from DTG" and "Give a rats {*word*82}about the product".

Fortunately, it won't be long before that all goes away.
Ah, it feels like i am stuck in the twilight zone. You mean all those
times we (as in: Delphi/Borland critics in general, not specifically and
necessarily me) were arguing with you about Borland not "giving a rats
butt" about Delphi, and you pretended that was the most outrageous thing
you ever heard, we were actually right, and you were - well - not
exactly defending the /truth/? Very interesting. Very interesting indeed.
Makes one very encouraged to trust in whatever you are saying and
promising, now.
 

Re:Devco to encourage VB(Visual Basic) users to migrate to Delphi

rambam,
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For under $5K, you could:
A. Get together a mailing list ( buy one cheap or just harvest names from the MS VB(Visual Basic) development groups)
B. Email VB(Visual Basic) lusers
C. Set up a web page on migration
D. Add help entries on Delphi equivalents to common VB(Visual Basic) functions ( I
would outsource this, since your inhouse documentation guys seem to be
on {*word*110}) and provide this as a pdf file and as{*word*178}source.
Another big-time winner-over for VB(Visual Basic) users is, of course, having them
come here onto the newsgroups and be called "lusers". I am sure that will
help them to instantly feel at home and comfortable in the Delphi community.
 

Re:Devco to encourage VB(Visual Basic) users to migrate to Delphi

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After all, how much would it have cost ?
A damn sight more than your figures, that is for sure. Costs in Australia must
have gone down quite a bit since the last time I was home :-)
If I got change out of ?00k for that project, I would be pretty pleased.
Cheers,
Jim Cooper
_____________________________________________
Jim Cooper XXXX@XXXXX.COM
Skype : jim.cooper
Tabdee Ltd www.tabdee.ltd.uk
TurboSync - Connecting Delphi to your Palm
_____________________________________________
 

Re:Devco to encourage VB(Visual Basic) users to migrate to Delphi

<XXXX@XXXXX.COM>wrote
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After all, how much would it have cost ?

For under $5K, you could:
A. Get together a mailing list ( buy one cheap or just harvest names from
the MS VB(Visual Basic) development groups)
B. Email VB(Visual Basic) lusers
C. Set up a web page on migration
D. Add help entries on Delphi equivalents to common VB(Visual Basic) functions ( I
would outsource this, since your inhouse documentation guys seem to be
on {*word*110}) and provide this as a pdf file and as{*word*178}source.
Good luck. But you might I suggest not using the word "luser" in the spam
mails unless your target market is those segment of VB(Visual Basic) users with low self
esteem and bad spelling.
Anyway, if Delphi couldn't lure VB(Visual Basic) programmers during the transition period
of VB(Visual Basic) while under Borland name, little chance of it after the dust has
settled and everybody has moved on, under a no-name company.
 

Re:Devco to encourage VB(Visual Basic) users to migrate to Delphi

marc hoffman writes:
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Another big-time winner-over for VB(Visual Basic) users is, of course, having them
come here onto the newsgroups and be called "lusers". I am sure that will
help them to instantly feel at home and comfortable in the Delphi
community.
I think one should be able to ignore these "exceptional" people as most
the Delphi community members I know or even met, aren't that way.
--
Holger
Blog: www.flickdotnet.de
 

Re:Devco to encourage VB(Visual Basic) users to migrate to Delphi

Hi Holger,
Holger Flick writes:
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>Another big-time winner-over for VB(Visual Basic) users is, of course, having them
>come here onto the newsgroups and be called "lusers". I am sure that will
>help them to instantly feel at home and comfortable in the Delphi
>community.
I think one should be able to ignore these "exceptional" people as most
the Delphi community members I know or even met, aren't that way.
You must be new here... ;-)
MfG
twm
 

Re:Devco to encourage VB(Visual Basic) users to migrate to Delphi

Hi,
somebody writes:
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Anyway, if Delphi couldn't lure VB(Visual Basic) programmers during the transition
period of VB(Visual Basic) while under Borland name, little chance of it after the dust
has settled and everybody has moved on, under a no-name company.
I guess you would be surprised how many people still use VB6 for maintenance
and even some new projects.
No, I don't understand that either, I wouldn't start anything new with a
dead programming language.
But what I want to say: Maybe it is not too late, but don't wait much longer.
And don't forget to supply a migration tool that at least converts the
forms to Delphi!
MfG
twm
 

Re:Devco to encourage VB(Visual Basic) users to migrate to Delphi

In article <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>, <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>
writes:
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For under $5K, you could:
A. Get together a mailing list ( buy one cheap or just harvest names from the
MS VB(Visual Basic) development groups)
B. Email VB(Visual Basic) lusers
Thereby alienating a whole group of people because of the decision to
spam them.
<en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boulder_Pledge>
--
-David
Quis custodiet custodes ipsos?
 

Re:Devco to encourage VB(Visual Basic) users to migrate to Delphi

"marc hoffman" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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rambam,
>B. Email VB(Visual Basic) lusers

Another big-time winner-over for VB(Visual Basic) users is, of course, having them come
here onto the newsgroups and be called "lusers". I am sure that will help
them to instantly feel at home and comfortable in the Delphi community.
Perhaps "rambam" simply misspelled "users".
--
Charles Appel
 

Re:Devco to encourage VB(Visual Basic) users to migrate to Delphi

marc hoffman <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes:
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Ah, it feels like i am stuck in the twilight zone. You mean all those
times we (as in: Delphi/Borland critics in general, not specifically
and necessarily me) were arguing with you about Borland not "giving a
rats butt" about Delphi, and you pretended that was the most
outrageous thing you ever heard, we were actually right, and you were
- well - not exactly defending the /truth/? Very interesting. Very
interesting indeed.

Makes one very encouraged to trust in whatever you are saying and
promising, now.
Dont be like that.
You know that he has got to say what he thinks is best for the company.