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eshipman

Delphi Developer
 

Re: D8: Getting "help" on a componet in the palette doesn't bring up it is help


2004-01-19 10:38:28 PM
delphi9
In article <4008c751$XXXX@XXXXX.COM>, ian.borlandnews008
@zunblvlda1.dyndns.org.spamsucks says...
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If you select a component on the component palette, and try to get it is help
(by pressing F1); help on the component doesn't appear.

Also: dragging component categories should show an insertion bar where the
section will be placed

Also: dragging component categories should be cancellable via Esc.

Feel free to tell me it is already in QC; or you can add it to QC yourself.



Well, Ian, I can sum it all up in one statement.
Borland used Microsoft's components for Delphi8.
The Palette, the editor, the OI. They {*word*75}ed themselves out
to MS to get this thing out the door instead of writing their
own.
I have some very big issues with the VS.Net UI. It is horrible
and not very well thought out for a major development product.
It is too clunky and difficult to use and Delphi 8 is EXACTLY like it.
There's no use in {*word*75}ing about it here, they aren't going to listen
via this channel and I suspect, they aren't going to change anything
at all because of the fact that they are using MS's controls.
 
 
eshipman

Delphi Developer

2004-01-20 01:43:10 AM

Re: D8: Getting "help" on a componet in the palette doesn't bring up it is help

In article <400bf47b$XXXX@XXXXX.COM>, XXXX@XXXXX.COM
says...
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eshipman writes:

>
 >The Palette, the editor, the OI. They {*word*75}ed themselves out
 >to MS to get this thing out the door instead of writing their
 >own.
Actually, only the form designer is MS's. The rest is Borland's.


NOT...
I know that some of the component editors are Microsoft's, see my post
in b.p.d.netpreview.non-tech oncerning the ImageList Editor.
I would venture to say that the OI is, too, because it is almost exactly
the same.
 
eshipman

Delphi Developer

2004-01-20 01:50:32 AM

Re: D8: Getting "help" on a componet in the palette doesn't bring up it is help

In article <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>,
eshipman@yahoo!!!.com says...
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In article <400bf47b$XXXX@XXXXX.COM>, XXXX@XXXXX.COM
says...
>eshipman writes:
 >
 >>
 >>The Palette, the editor, the OI. They {*word*75}ed themselves out
 >>to MS to get this thing out the door instead of writing their
 >>own.
 >
 >Actually, only the form designer is MS's. The rest is Borland's.
 >
 >
 NOT...

I know that some of the component editors are Microsoft's, see my post
in b.p.d.netpreview.non-tech oncerning the ImageList Editor.

I would venture to say that the OI is, too, because it is almost exactly
the same.


Actually, I like VS.Net's Palette better than D8's, it is more
Delphi'ish that the {*word*99}py one in D8.
 

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)

Delphi Developer

2004-01-20 03:21:11 AM

Re: D8: Getting "help" on a componet in the palette doesn't bring up it is help

eshipman writes:
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Borland used Microsoft's components for Delphi8.
They used MS Windows Forms designer, like all other IDEs. For their own
framework (VCL), they use their own designer.
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The Palette, the editor, the OI.
No, the palette, editor and OI are their own. Only the designer is not.
--
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)
"Science is like sex: sometimes something useful comes out, but that is
not the reason we are doing it" -- Richard Feynman
 
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)

Delphi Developer

2004-01-20 03:22:53 AM

Re: D8: Getting "help" on a componet in the palette doesn't bring up it is help

eshipman writes:
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I know that some of the component editors are Microsoft's, see my post
in b.p.d.netpreview.non-tech oncerning the ImageList Editor.
Yes, that may be. The component editors for MS' components are also by MS.
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I would venture to say that the OI is, too, because it is almost
exactly the same.
Venture what you like. It isn't.
--
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)
"Put your hand on a hot stove for a minute, and it seems like an hour.
Sit with a pretty girl for an hour, and it seems like a minute. THAT'S
relativity." -- Albert Einstein
 
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)

Delphi Developer

2004-01-20 03:23:39 AM

Re: D8: Getting "help" on a componet in the palette doesn't bring up it is help

eshipman writes:
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Actually, I like VS.Net's Palette better than D8's, it is more
Delphi'ish that the {*word*99}py one in D8.
I've seen others who loved it. I like it a lot myself. How does the one
in VS look?
--
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)
"The concept is interesting and well-formed, but in order to earn better
than a 'C', the idea must be feasible."
-- A Yale University management professor in response to student Fred
Smith's paper proposing reliable overnight delivery service (Smith
went on to found Federal Express Corp.)
 
Craig Stuntz [TeamB]

Delphi Developer

2004-01-20 03:24:09 AM

Re: D8: Getting "help" on a componet in the palette doesn't bring up it is help

eshipman writes:
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In article <400bf47b$XXXX@XXXXX.COM>, XXXX@XXXXX.COM
says...
>eshipman writes:
 >
 >>
 >>The Palette, the editor, the OI. They {*word*75}ed themselves out
 >>to MS to get this thing out the door instead of writing their
 >>own.
 >
 >Actually, only the form designer is MS's. The rest is Borland's.
 >
 NOT...

I know that some of the component editors are Microsoft's, see my post
in b.p.d.netpreview.non-tech oncerning the ImageList Editor.
I think Nick was referring not to the entire product but rather the
specific examples you cited. In particular, the editor and the OI.
-Craig
--
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Useful articles about InterBase and Delphi development:
delphi.weblogs.com/articles
 
Dave Jewell

Delphi Developer

2004-01-20 03:24:41 AM

Re: D8: Getting "help" on a componet in the palette doesn't bring up it is help

"eshipman" <eshipman@yahoo!!!.com>writes
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The Palette, the editor, the OI. They {*word*75}ed themselves out
to MS to get this thing out the door instead of writing their
own.
I'm unfamiliar with this use of "{*word*75}ed". In the UK, "{*word*75}ed" means
moaned, whinged, etc.....
Do you mean "{*word*75}ed" as in {*word*41}d, sold themselves, etc?
BTW, as Nick says, the Object Inspector and code editor are Borland's. The
"bin" directory even contains YOTEC (boreditu.dll) just to prove it......
<g>
Dave
 
Dave Jewell

Delphi Developer

2004-01-20 03:28:49 AM

Re: D8: Getting "help" on a componet in the palette doesn't bring up it is help

"eshipman" <eshipman@yahoo!!!.com>writes
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I know that some of the component editors are Microsoft's, see my post
in b.p.d.netpreview.non-tech oncerning the ImageList Editor.
Yes, but the standard editors are part of the framework anyway, so this is
what you'd expect.
Dave
 
Dave Jewell

Delphi Developer

2004-01-20 03:30:39 AM

Re: D8: Getting "help" on a componet in the palette doesn't bring up it is help

"Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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I've seen others who loved it. I like it a lot myself. How does the one
in VS look?
I also like Corbin's palette, although I prefer to use one of the more
restrained colour schemes. The Vs.NET palette is big and ugly.
Dave
 
Corbin Dunn (Borland)

Delphi Developer

2004-01-20 04:11:40 AM

Re: D8: Getting "help" on a componet in the palette doesn't bring up it is help

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Well, Ian, I can sum it all up in one statement.

Borland used Microsoft's components for Delphi8.

The Palette, the editor, the OI.
All 3 of which, are written by us. The form designer, is not. We simply host
it.
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There's no use in {*word*75}ing about it here, they aren't going to listen
via this channel and I suspect, they aren't going to change anything
at all because of the fact that they are using MS's controls.
Only the form designer. What is klunky about the Palette, (code) editor,
and OI?
-corbin
 
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)

Delphi Developer

2004-01-20 04:20:37 AM

Re: D8: Getting "help" on a componet in the palette doesn't bring up it is help

Corbin Dunn (Borland) writes:
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>Well, Ian, I can sum it all up in one statement.
 >
 >Borland used Microsoft's components for Delphi8.
 >
 >The Palette, the editor, the OI.
All 3 of which, are written by us. The form designer, is not. We simply
host it.

>There's no use in {*word*75}ing about it here, they aren't going to listen
 >via this channel and I suspect, they aren't going to change anything
 >at all because of the fact that they are using MS's controls.
Only the form designer. What is klunky about the Palette, (code)
editor, and OI?
It doesn't have rounded eges. <g,d&r>
--
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)
"Manuscript: something submitted in haste and returned at leisure."
- Oliver Herford (1863-1935)
 
eshipman

Delphi Developer

2004-01-20 08:19:56 AM

Re: D8: Getting "help" on a componet in the palette doesn't bring up it is help

In article <400c3924$XXXX@XXXXX.COM>, "Corbin Dunn \(Borland
\)" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>says...
Quote

>Well, Ian, I can sum it all up in one statement.
 >
 >Borland used Microsoft's components for Delphi8.
 >
 >The Palette, the editor, the OI.
All 3 of which, are written by us. The form designer, is not. We simply host
it.

>There's no use in {*word*75}ing about it here, they aren't going to listen
 >via this channel and I suspect, they aren't going to change anything
 >at all because of the fact that they are using MS's controls.
Only the form designer. What is klunky about the Palette, (code) editor,
and OI?

Palette-you can not dock it to the Application bar like in other Delphi
versions. I, personally hate the layout, I would like a tabbed interface
again.
OI, keys don't seem to work the same as in the other OIs.
Editor, totally messed up, I hate it, with the exception of the code
folding, which I think should have been added to the Delphi editor LONG
AGO.
Is there any way to get rid of the "Welcome Page"???
 
JED

Delphi Developer

2004-01-20 08:33:19 AM

Re: D8: Getting "help" on a componet in the palette doesn't bring up it is help

Dave Jewell writes:
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The Vs.NET palette is big and ugly.
and SLOW......
 
JED

Delphi Developer

2004-01-20 08:34:52 AM

Re: D8: Getting "help" on a componet in the palette doesn't bring up it is help

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) writes:
[heaps on lines quoted]
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It doesn't have rounded eges. <g,d&r>
Where are the quoting police when you need them...