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2005 opinion improving


2005-02-03 06:33:27 AM
delphi235
I decided yesterday to give D2005 Pro another try.
I had just two problems with it, one at startup and one at the end of
the day.
The first problem was a "Catastrophic Failure" when trying to uncheck
the Borland BDE components package in my Project options. I would mentioned
this one before ("Growing quite disappointed", 1/13/05). This time I
worked around the problem - I restarted D2005, closed all open files,
and actually deleted (not just unchecked) the BDE package from the
installed components package list. I did this for several other
packages I have never used as well.
The second problem came when I loaded Delphi 7 to compare code in another
program with my D2005 project. As best I could tell, Delphi 7 tried to reload
its last project, which happened to be the one I was actively working
on in D2005, with the result that both of them locked up hard. Not a
D2005 problem, in other words, but a user error.
Aside from these two situations, I spent about 10 trouble-free hours
doing real work in D2005. I did a small amount of refactoring, and
spent a couple of hours working with the de{*word*81}, which I haven't used
in several years at least. Response time of the IDE was a bit slower
than Delphi 7 - where Delphi 7 is instant, D2005 has a fraction of a second
slowness to some operations, but nothing particularly bothersome. I can
see the pauses, but it is still working faster than I am, and not
slowing me up at all.
Removing Together support seems to have been a big help. I am looking
forward to another long, hopefully productive, night with D2005 tonight.
--
Eric Schreiber
Kobayashi Software
www.kobayashi.com
 
 

Re:2005 opinion improving

Eric Schreiber writes:
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Aside from these two situations, I spent about 10 trouble-free hours
doing real work in D2005.
A co-worker is using D2005 (Win32 personality only) everyday (approx 1
month) and he told me he has not had any significant problems or complaints.
He recognizes there is some sluggishness, but no crashes. I would
characterize his project as medium complexity. His favorite feature is
refactoring (extract method and rename in particular).
 

Re:2005 opinion improving

I am pretty much agree with this. I use it every day for the last few months
and dont have any real complaints. I am using it exclusively for ASP.NET at
the moment.
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A co-worker is using D2005 (Win32 personality only) everyday (approx 1
month) and he told me he has not had any significant problems or
complaints.
He recognizes there is some sluggishness, but no crashes. I would
characterize his project as medium complexity. His favorite feature is
refactoring (extract method and rename in particular).
--
Lee


 

Re:2005 opinion improving

Lee Grissom writes:
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A co-worker is using D2005 (Win32 personality only) everyday (approx 1
month) and he told me he has not had any significant problems or
complaints. He recognizes there is some sluggishness, but no
crashes. I'd characterize his project as medium complexity. His
favorite feature is refactoring (extract method and rename in
particular). --
I have similar experience. I am using Delphi Win32 and C#
personalities and I had great experience. Delphi 2005 IDE has some
annoyances, but so far, no show stopper.
Wien.
--
blogs.slcdug.org/esaputra
Delphi Setting Manager - www.codeline.net
 

Re:2005 opinion improving

Craig van Nieuwkerk writes:
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I am pretty much agree with this. I use it every day for the last few months
and dont have any real complaints. I am using it exclusively for ASP.NET at
the moment.
When used with win32 and no hacking to remove the UML stuff, the IDE is
extremely slow. On a Athlon 64 3200 with 1 gb of ram it takes two
seconds to switch between code and design view.
It really stinks.
Even with service pack 1 I have run out of memory and had d2005 halt my
entire system.
 

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When used with win32 and no hacking to remove the UML stuff, the IDE is
extremely slow. On a Athlon 64 3200 with 1 gb of ram it takes two
seconds to switch between code and design view.
It really stinks.
Even with service pack 1 I have run out of memory and had d2005 halt my
entire system.
Wow, your PC is substantially faster then mine and I don't have nearly
that much slow down.
I run an AMD 2400xp with 1gb ram, but run D2005 in a VMWare Window with
only 500Mb of the memory allocated. Goes like a dream. The only real
lag I see is VMWare's very slight delay.
I only (only??) run the Pro version, I have wondered if that effects
speed as it means I have less stuff installed?
--
Robin.
<disclaimer>Not an expert </disclaimer>
 

Re:2005 opinion improving

Tony Caduto writes:
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When used with win32 and no hacking to remove the UML stuff, the IDE
is extremely slow. On a Athlon 64 3200 with 1 gb of ram it takes two
seconds to switch between code and design view. It really stinks.
Even with service pack 1 I have run out of memory and had d2005 halt
my entire system.
Something else may be at work there. Even before I removed Together, on
my 32-bit AMD 3000 with 1 GB, switching views took only a fraction of a
second. I *think* this has improved since removing Together, but I
couldn't say for certain.
If you don't have a need for it, I strongly recommend you nuke Together
from your system and give D2005 another try. It appears to have made a
world of difference here.
D2005 still isn't perfect, but I feel a lot better about it than I did
a few weeks ago.
--
Eric Schreiber
Kobayashi Software
www.kobayashi.com
 

Re:2005 opinion improving

Lee Grissom writes:
Quote
A co-worker is using D2005 (Win32 personality only) everyday (approx 1
month) and he told me he has not had any significant problems or
complaints. He recognizes there is some sluggishness, but no
crashes. I'd characterize his project as medium complexity. His
favorite feature is refactoring (extract method and rename in
particular).
Matches my experience. And refactoring is also my favourite.
--
Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] rvelthuis.bei.t-online.de
"My mother said to me, "If you are a soldier, you will become a
general. If you are a monk, you will become the Pope." Instead,
I was a painter, and became Picasso." -- Pablo Picasso.
 

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Hi!
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I only (only??) run the Pro version, I have wondered if that effects
speed as it means I have less stuff installed?
Thats for sure. Also by looking at the feature matrix it seems that the Pro
version is without the most problematic packages..
The less you get, the better it works <g>
Regards!
Atmapuri.
 

Re:2005 opinion improving

"Eric Schreiber" <eric at kobayashi dot com>writes
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If you don't have a need for it, I strongly recommend you nuke Together
from your system and give D2005 another try. It appears to have made a
world of difference here.

D2005 still isn't perfect, but I feel a lot better about it than I did
a few weeks ago.
I would definitely agree with you. Although I am only doing Win32 on D2005
pretty much for every project apart from those DevExpress EWF which does
not still have an update for D2005 so using that on D7, I have to say that
after
nuking Together, I pretty much got as comparable a performance as with D7.
No crashes or anything and it seems very stable. In fact, I am pretty to
like the
current docked IDE. I do not need to find where all my Inspectors and stuff
went
hiding to. Overall it is a nice experience.
I am hoping to jump into .NET as soon as I can. At the moment, I am just
using
it as a learning platform.
Yes, D2005 is not perfect but a couple of steps taken to nuke Together does
wonders
in all aspects. I seriously doubt you will miss it.
Edwin
 

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Quote
I run an AMD 2400xp with 1gb ram, but run D2005 in a VMWare Window with
only 500Mb of the memory allocated. Goes like a dream. The only real
lag I see is VMWare's very slight delay.
for awhile reading those D2005 threads I have got impression that folks with 512Mb RAM have less problems
than those with 1Gb.
 

Re:2005 opinion improving

I have tested Delphi 2005 for some weeks
upgrading a Win32 application to VCL.NET.
The application has dozen of units and forms.
No database (BDE, ADO, ecc.) are required.
Delphi 2005 S.P.1 is quite stable.
No crash. The only problem is the editor
that often pauses for a fraction of second when I move the cursors over
lines.
But in general I am satisfied of Delphi 2005.
Quote
I decided yesterday to give D2005 Pro another try.

I had just two problems with it, one at startup and one at the end of
the day.

The first problem was a "Catastrophic Failure" when trying to uncheck
the Borland BDE components package in my Project options. I would mentioned
this one before ("Growing quite disappointed", 1/13/05). This time I
worked around the problem - I restarted D2005, closed all open files,
and actually deleted (not just unchecked) the BDE package from the
installed components package list. I did this for several other
packages I have never used as well.

The second problem came when I loaded Delphi 7 to compare code in another
program with my D2005 project. As best I could tell, Delphi 7 tried to reload
its last project, which happened to be the one I was actively working
on in D2005, with the result that both of them locked up hard. Not a
D2005 problem, in other words, but a user error.

Aside from these two situations, I spent about 10 trouble-free hours
doing real work in D2005. I did a small amount of refactoring, and
spent a couple of hours working with the de{*word*81}, which I haven't used
in several years at least. Response time of the IDE was a bit slower
than Delphi 7 - where Delphi 7 is instant, D2005 has a fraction of a second
slowness to some operations, but nothing particularly bothersome. I can
see the pauses, but it is still working faster than I am, and not
slowing me up at all.

Removing Together support seems to have been a big help. I am looking
forward to another long, hopefully productive, night with D2005 tonight.

--
Eric Schreiber
Kobayashi Software
www.kobayashi.com
 

Re:2005 opinion improving

Tony Caduto writes:
Quote
When used with win32 and no hacking to remove the UML stuff, the IDE
is extremely slow. On a Athlon 64 3200 with 1 gb of ram it takes two
seconds to switch between code and design view. It really stinks.
Even with service pack 1 I have run out of memory and had d2005 halt
my entire system.
I had the trial on my machine and my laptop. My machine is a P2ghz, 1gb
memory, my laptop is a P500 with I think 256mb.. Id have to go boot it
to check, if anything it was better on my laptop than it was on my PC.
Obviously this was without update 1, but, on my friends laptop with the
real copy of 2005, update 1 and removing the together stuff has made
2005 more reliable, it doesnt gobble memory any more. Its still slow,
Id say its 3 seconds or so between swapping forms, even simple ones. I
dont mind startup time, it doesnt crash on me much but it is
irritatingly slow.
However, its potential is there and I really cant wait to be able to
buy my own copy Im sure my friend is gonna want his laptop back soon.
 

Re:2005 opinion improving

Wow.
X Weeks of people constantly bashing D2005 as unusable on this ng.
No D2005 patch released, but :
Suddenly bunches of people appear saying it works pretty well.
Call me cynical . . .
 

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Chris Brooksbank writes:
Quote
Wow.
X Weeks of people constantly bashing D2005 as unusable on this ng.
No D2005 patch released, but :
Suddenly bunches of people appear saying it works pretty well.
Call me cynical . . .
No, just perhaps those of us who never had all the pain some of the
others had are finally shouting loud enough?