Re: Delphi bugs and "moving" to Visual Studio debate

Jeroen Vandezande

Delphi Developer

Re: Delphi bugs and "moving" to Visual Studio debate

2005-06-04 07:55:59 PM
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"Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes

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At 21:19:55, 03.06.2005, Brion L. Webster writes:

>Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] writes:
>
>>No. But if people in such settings really think like that, that is
>>very worrisome. I don't think Borland should encourage it, either.
>
>We have to deal with the world as it is, not as it should be.

While that is true, that doesn't mean we should accept it as immutable.
Sounds like System.String...

Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]

Delphi Developer

2005-06-04 08:06:48 PM

Re: Delphi bugs and "moving" to Visual Studio debate

At 13:56:28, 04.06.2005, Abdullah Kauchali writes:

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>And yet Delphi seems to have been successful since its first release,
>despite it.

LOL. No, not despite it - because of it. We just lost the focus,
that's all.
Because of it? Explain. If people using Oracle use Oracle tools, and

people using MS SQL use VS, and people using ..., etc. then how can that
be "because" of that?
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Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]

Delphi Developer

2005-06-04 08:07:12 PM

Re: Delphi bugs and "moving" to Visual Studio debate

At 13:55:59, 04.06.2005, Jeroen Vandezande writes:

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>>We have to deal with the world as it is, not as it should be.
>
>While that is true, that doesn't mean we should accept it as
>immutable.

Sounds like System.String...
LOL!

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thought that the public were beginning to understand the old ones."
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Abdullah Kauchali

Delphi Developer

2005-06-04 08:15:05 PM

Re: Delphi bugs and "moving" to Visual Studio debate

Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] writes:

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Because of it? Explain. If people using Oracle use Oracle tools, and
people using MS SQL use VS, and people using ..., etc. then how can that
be "because" of that?
One day over a beer maybe. But I have given up any hope of explaining to

you here. Hope you don't mind. <g>
Take care.

Marc Antheunis

Delphi Developer

2005-06-04 08:23:45 PM

Re: Delphi bugs and "moving" to Visual Studio debate

Rudy,
games are often used to create a team feeling, been there done that
so for me at least your statement that games aren't used in business does
not hold
furthermore, flight simulators which are games are used as training
mechanisms
but hey you are right as always
period
cu
marc
"Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>schreef in bericht

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At 10:02:23, 04.06.2005, Marc Antheunis writes:

<about games being business apps>

>>>they are cause usually they are sold so meant to make business
>>
>>Yeah, but not used IN and FOR business, and that is what people
>>usually mean when they talk about business apps.

>you clearly do work on your own....

Huh? How does that matter in the assertion wheter a game is a business
app or not? I think I can claim that a game is not a business app,
without making a very bold statement.
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Sit with a pretty girl for an hour, and it seems like a minute. THAT'S
relativity." -- Albert Einstein

Kostya

Delphi Developer

2005-06-04 08:31:35 PM

Re: Delphi bugs and "moving" to Visual Studio debate

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No, they are their line of business, but a business application is used
to conduct business, not to sell for business.
And the companies that run rooms full of computers

stuffed with games and let people play for money?
Would that be a business software for them?
Kostya

Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]

Delphi Developer

2005-06-04 11:01:59 PM

Re: Delphi bugs and "moving" to Visual Studio debate

At 14:23:45, 04.06.2005, Marc Antheunis writes:

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Rudy,
games are often used to create a team feeling,
Whatever. One can hardly call them business apps, i.e. apps used to

conduct business with.
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Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]

Delphi Developer

2005-06-04 11:07:29 PM

Re: Delphi bugs and "moving" to Visual Studio debate

At 14:31:35, 04.06.2005, Kostya writes:

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And the companies that run rooms full of computers
stuffed with games and let people play for money?
Would that be a business software for them?
If you use that as definition, than any kind of software can be seen as

business application, as long as people can make money with it.
I doubt that is a valid meaning of "business application".
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lovely thin paper with a bit of matress stuffing in it, if you could
get a match, was as good a smoke as I ever tasted." -- Brendan Behan.

Rudy Velthuis [TeamB]

Delphi Developer

2005-06-04 11:08:30 PM

Re: Delphi bugs and "moving" to Visual Studio debate

At 14:15:05, 04.06.2005, Abdullah Kauchali writes:

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Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] writes:
>Because of it? Explain. If people using Oracle use Oracle tools, and
>people using MS SQL use VS, and people using ..., etc. then how can
>that be "because" of that?

One day over a beer maybe.
Perhaps. But what you say is IMO contradictory.

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philosopher."
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Brian Moelk

Delphi Developer

2005-06-05 02:20:23 AM

Re: Delphi bugs and "moving" to Visual Studio debate

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>community.borland.com/article/0,1410,20396,00.html
>
>" The strategic decision to make database tools and connectivity a
>central part of the new Pascal product had been made only a few days
>before,
>
Well, that is not exactly the same as making it an extension of one
particular DB, is it?
LOL. Keep fighting Rudy...keep fighting...

Brian Moelk
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Nick Hodges [TeamB]

Delphi Developer

2005-06-05 03:26:56 AM

Re: Delphi bugs and "moving" to Visual Studio debate

Kostya writes:

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And the companies that run rooms full of computers
stuffed with games and let people play for money?
Would that be a business software for them?
Arguing over the meaning of "business app"! You win "Pedantic Post of

the Week!" Congratulations!
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Jos?Mendizábal

Delphi Developer

2005-06-05 04:53:46 AM

Re: Delphi bugs and "moving" to Visual Studio debate

Matt,

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SQL Base (Gupta) had an IDE.
You mean SQLWindows? Like Delphi, that was a full blown OO language

plus RAD environment that could target most, if not all, major DBs,
SQLBase among them. Memory is fuzzy... I am not sure if it predated VB,
or came after. We started using it around 1994 or 1995 and it was
already at version 4. Oracle 7 was what we used as DB as well as
SQLBase in smaller projects.
BTW, it is not "had" but "has". They're still in business and position
themselves nowadays as a cross platform (Windows + Linux) development
tool.
Pepe

Ingvar Nilsen

Delphi Developer

2005-06-05 05:21:37 AM

Re: Delphi bugs and "moving" to Visual Studio debate

Nick Hodges [TeamB] writes:

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You win "Pedantic Post of
the Week!" Congratulations!
Are the ruels made public?

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Nick Hodges [TeamB]

Delphi Developer

2005-06-05 07:10:54 AM

Re: Delphi bugs and "moving" to Visual Studio debate

Ingvar Nilsen writes:

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Are the ruels made public?
No, it is all in my head. Rest assured that I am totally fair in my

decisions and that only the most worthy and deserving posts are chosen.
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Nick Hodges [TeamB]

Delphi Developer

2005-06-05 08:19:34 AM

Re: Delphi bugs and "moving" to Visual Studio debate

Ingvar Nilsen writes:

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Ok, nevertheless something to strive for (ot maybe not.. <g>)
Ingvar -- I have no doubt that you can rise to the occassion! ;-)

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