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2007-06-01 07:00:37 AM
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"Simon Kissel" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes:
can claim back your goods, but you are not allowed to take
it back yourself. IANAL, but, unless you have claimed it back,
Codegear wouldn't pirate when they used your software.
Anyways, I think this is an issue of vague laws, and those can
cause a lot of trouble. One personal example: As I have both a
Dutch and an Italian parent, I can obtain both a Dutch and
an Italian passport. I live in the Netherlands, but as the
Italian one is five times cheaper than the Dutch one, the
choice seems obvious.
In theory, it shouldn't matter, within the EU, you can go
everywhere, work everywhere, live everywhere. In practise, you
get all kinds of trouble. For example, when trying to get a
job, people suddenly ask for work permits. The problem is,
I can not get one because I don't need one, since those are for
people outside the EU. But try to explain that to someone who
thinks the is just following the rules.
The problem is employers are not lawyers, and quickly get confused. Because of these issues, Dutch passport for me.
I suspect the situation here is just as well confusion about
the rules. It shouldn't happen, but it is understandable it
happens.
Daniël Mantione
 

John Kaster (CodeGear) writes:
Public.
Not a good idea, John.
 

Nick,
another ~$8.000 of man hours. The deal simply has been "ok, I will send
my employees and myself into a night shift to get your CodeRage
conference running last-minute - my own time is free as always because
I love Delphi, but if I have to pay an external designer I want at
least a few bucks as a sign of good-will".
I never asked anyone to pay for time. You can not afford my time.
So, if someone inside CodeGear would have thought "hm, but paying
someone's time is complex" they could have ASKED how to do this,
with my reply being "simple: The invoice is for a license with a
price deducted to the amount we agreed on". Or simply read my mails,
in all of them I wrote that we are talking about the electronic
delivery of a product which is not taxed at all.
It's CodeGear who made a very simple thing complex. that is quite
normal for a corporation. it is however not OK looking at the big
picture, and it is definately not ok to go a "if he doesn't fill
out this nonsense form, we'll use his work unlicensed" route.
And the right thing to do would be to finally apologize for once
again screwing up on the "thank you" part bigtime after I have done
something for you. And yes, I consider the flawless handling of
such a minimal payment as a "thank you" - as you guys were unable to
pick up the phone after the CodeRage conference to thank me for
making that event possible, you could at least have tried not
to{*word*222}up on this payment.
For me, the "Simon does something for CodeGear for free after
they've asked for it and CodeGear then totally screws up" list
today finally reached an unacceptable length. it is been extremely
long before already, as you might remember.
Simon
 

Magnus Flysj?writes:
--
Robin.
Australian Bridal Accessories := www.bridalbuzz.com.au
Turbo for Noobs (a work in progress) := turbofornoobs.blogspot.com/
 

it makes you both look bad.
Talk to eachother and settle instead, without letting the rest of us know.
Of course you should get paid if that was the agreement, but if they think
they need this form and you say you wont do it, then you should at least
give a warning that the licens will be suspended (and give a date about the
suspension) before taking drastic actions like closing the server a few
minutes before a big event. (which looks like something you did in rage to
maximize the damage btw)
I hope you all can calm down and settle once you have sleeped and give this
some more thoughts, but as I said before, please keep this bickering behind
closed doors and not in the public. Cause this looks really bad.
/Magnus
 

John Kaster (CodeGear) writes:
This non-payment of a small contractor by a hundred million dollar
company just gives everyone a bad taste in the mouth. It also raises
concerns about Codegear's integrity.
 

none writes:
these kinds of conversations in public. Every time I attempt to set the
record straight, there are people who shut their eyes and plug their
ears and shout "It's all your fault!" at the top of their lungs.
Since we are not actually engaging in dialog here anyway, I am done with
this topic.
--
John Kaster blogs.codegear.com/johnk
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Features and bugs: qc.codegear.com
Got source? cc.codegear.com
If it is not here, it is not happening: ec.codegear.com
 

Magnus Flysjv writes:
 

Magnus Flysjv writes:
 

Fred Derf writes:
'Truth' is something you will have to read in to this yourself.
All we will get from this continuing here is the two parties getting
more polorised.
It could well be argued here for years and nothing would get sorted out.
It strikes me as something which could have been (and possibly still
could be) solved by a using a new and amazing concept: Communication.
Here is a basic run down for people who are geographically separated:
Step 1: Pick up the phone.
Step 2: Call the other party.
Step 3: Work it out.
And if that dowsn't work, then we can completely rule out any possible
delusion that arguing it on this public medium will.
--
Robin.
Australian Bridal Accessories := www.bridalbuzz.com.au
Turbo for Noobs (a work in progress) := turbofornoobs.blogspot.com/
 

Simon Kissel writes:
paper trail for a US person or entity that transfers funds to a foreign
person or entity. The form **should** have absolutely no tax
ramifications whatsoever for any person or entity operating outside of
the US.
Heck, we've got a file cabinet full of W-8's that we've gotten from
several foreign individuals and entities that have done development
work for us. I have never heard anything indicating that the form was
even relevant in their compliance with the tax laws of their respective
countries.
My $0.02: Sign the form and get paid.
--
By shifting the emphasis from individual responsibility to government
responsibility, we have infantilized an entire population." -- Judge
Judy
 

Fred Derf writes:
no obligation by either party to air their dirty laundry here or anywhere
else public, it is not any of our business, therefore not subject to
hypocrisy.
--
Wayne Niddery - Winwright, Inc (www.winwright.ca)
"It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can
stand by itself." - Thomas Jefferson
 

none writes:
concept of PayPal.
 

So, if someone helped you with the nuances of the W-8 form so you get
paid, will that resolve the situation, or is it unrecoverable?
--
Regards,
Bruce McGee
Glooscap Software
 

James David writes:
(purchaser or seller) to make sure that all of the required paper work
for this country, be completed properly. I suppose each country has
it's own laws.
It would be improper for me to comment on this particular issue as I am
not one of the parties involved, so my next comment is directed at your
statement above. I'd not just sign a form without fully
understanding both the legal and tax consequences of such an action.
The laws that relate to inter country transactions can be quite complex
and one would be asking for a lot of trouble by just signing every form
that crossed your desk. I most definitely would get some advise before
going ahead and putting my signature on the bottom line.
--
Dean