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Delphi programmers are conservative


2006-11-13 10:27:51 PM
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In the 90's Delphi programmers were frontrunners. Now that Delphi Win32 and
.NET are only trying to catch up on the new C#/.NET language features, the
users don't seem to care much about that. They are just happy not having to
learn and move to .NET. They are happy to see just a subset of all .NET
innovations in their favourite Delphi, quoting Henrick Hellström: "all
"improvements" are not always as good as they might seem".
What happened to the 90's frontrunners? Did they become older and mild or
did they leave Delphi?
Rick
 
 

Re:Delphi programmers are conservative

Rick Beerendonk writes:
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In the 90's Delphi programmers were frontrunners. Now that Delphi
Win32 and .NET are only trying to catch up on the new C#/.NET
language features, the users don't seem to care much about that. They
are just happy not having to learn and move to .NET. They are happy
to see just a subset of all .NET innovations in their favourite
Delphi, quoting Henrick Hellström: "all "improvements" are not always
as good as they might seem".
What happened to the 90's frontrunners? Did they become older and
mild or did they leave Delphi?
You've got this impression, I think, only because those that wish to, or
need to, remain solely in the Win32 world, at least for a while yet, have
been very vocal in this group. Indeed there is a very large legitimate
demand for continued support and enhancement for native Win32 development
and Borland/DTG has answered that they intend to follow through for them.
This is further compounded by the fact that Delphi *is* currently behind in
.Net, so many who absolutely need to support .Net 2.0 already have had to go
to VS. This is unfortunate, but is a fact of life this business.
However, that does not at all indicate that this is the case for *all*, or
even an overwhelming majority. There are also lots of developers that are
already developing in .Net with Delphi and very much want and need Delphi to
catch up and stay current on the .Net side too. Many need to develop for
*both* platforms for the forseeable future, and many will move to .Net at a
later date.
The Delphi customer base is more than large enough that they cannot be
painted with a single large brush.
--
Wayne Niddery - Winwright, Inc (www.winwright.ca)
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go
away." ?Philip K.{*word*106}
 

Re:Delphi programmers are conservative

Still using delphi and being very happy about it!
As it is been written here many times before, there is no single thing
on Win32 platform yon can do in .NET but can't with Delphi.
Regards,
L.
Rick Beerendonk writes:
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In the 90's Delphi programmers were frontrunners. Now that Delphi Win32 and
.NET are only trying to catch up on the new C#/.NET language features, the
users don't seem to care much about that. They are just happy not having to
learn and move to .NET. They are happy to see just a subset of all .NET
innovations in their favourite Delphi, quoting Henrick Hellström: "all
"improvements" are not always as good as they might seem".

What happened to the 90's frontrunners? Did they become older and mild or
did they leave Delphi?

Rick
 

Re:Delphi programmers are conservative

oh and at the same time there were all these MS frontrunners who used to
chase
VB, MFC, COM, COM+, ActiveX, ODBC, OLEDB, DOA, ADO, eVB, HailStorm, .......
what happened to them ? Did they come to Delphi ? ;)
 

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You sound like a politician, leaving out the important part of his quote in
order to forward your liberal agenda. :)
"Rick Beerendonk" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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In the 90's Delphi programmers were frontrunners. Now that Delphi Win32
and .NET are only trying to catch up on the new C#/.NET language features,
the users don't seem to care much about that. They are just happy not
having to learn and move to .NET. They are happy to see just a subset of
all .NET innovations in their favourite Delphi, quoting Henrick Hellström:
"all "improvements" are not always as good as they might seem".

What happened to the 90's frontrunners? Did they become older and mild or
did they leave Delphi?
 

Re:Delphi programmers are conservative

"Rick Beerendonk" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes:
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In the 90's Delphi programmers were frontrunners. Now that Delphi Win32 and
.NET are only trying to catch up on the new C#/.NET language features, the
users don't seem to care much about that. They are just happy not having to
learn and move to .NET. They are happy to see just a subset of all .NET
innovations in their favourite Delphi, quoting Henrick Hellström: "all
"improvements" are not always as good as they might seem".

What happened to the 90's frontrunners? Did they become older and mild or
did they leave Delphi?
Not everything new is an improvement, which the case with .NET. There is no "move to .NET". Future desktops will be full of native applications, with an occasional Java app here, and a .NET app there.
Daniel Mantione
 

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oh and at the same time there were all these MS frontrunners who used to
chase
VB, MFC, COM, COM+, ActiveX, ODBC, OLEDB, DOA, ADO, eVB, HailStorm,
.......
what happened to them ? Did they come to Delphi ? ;)

DOA = Direct Oracle Access, which is a fantastic product. I think you mean
DAO ;)
 

Re:Delphi programmers are conservative

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You sound like a politician, leaving out the important part of his quote
in order to forward your liberal agenda. :)
How political not to reply to the content but to the way I brought the
message :-D
Rick
 

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DOA = Direct Oracle Access, which is a fantastic product. I think you mean
DAO ;)
DOA means "Dead on Arrival" and is therefore more suited than the
original abbreviation.
 

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"Rick Beerendonk" writes:
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>You sound like a politician, leaving out the important part of his quote
>in order to forward your liberal agenda. :)

How political not to reply to the content but to the way I brought the
message :-D
I absolutely love it when someone starts his sentence by accusing you of
sounding like a politician and ends it with "your liberal agenda". But then
when I notice that "conservative" is in the subject header, he begins to
sound "fair and balances." ;-)
 

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John Herbster writes:
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Compared to COBOL and FORTRAN programmers?
Are COBOL or Fortran on .NET 2.0 yet?
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I'm glad someone understood the reason for that reference. :)
"I.P. Nichols" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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I absolutely love it when someone starts his sentence by accusing you of
sounding like a politician and ends it with "your liberal agenda". But
then when I notice that "conservative" is in the subject header, he begins
to sound "fair and balances." ;-)
 

Re:Delphi programmers are conservative

Maybe it is Delphi programmers being smart instead of conservative.
I'm not so sure that MS had been able to hype .NET that much if the didn't
decide to abandon the support for native code in VB.
They are forcing developers to .NET, and not because Microsoft developers
are smart, but cause they have to.
Delphi developers dont have any big reasons to target .NET at the moment.
"Rick Beerendonk" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>skrev i meddelandet
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In the 90's Delphi programmers were frontrunners. Now that Delphi Win32
and .NET are only trying to catch up on the new C#/.NET language features,
the users don't seem to care much about that. They are just happy not
having to learn and move to .NET. They are happy to see just a subset of
all .NET innovations in their favourite Delphi, quoting Henrick Hellström:
"all "improvements" are not always as good as they might seem".

What happened to the 90's frontrunners? Did they become older and mild or
did they leave Delphi?

Rick

 

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Delphi programmers are conservative
Compared to COBOL and FORTRAN programmers?
 

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>Compared to COBOL and FORTRAN programmers?
Are COBOL or Fortran on .NET 2.0 yet?
What's .NET?
Remember you are writing to an bald-headed guy here. <g>