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Re: Leaving California?


2003-12-04 05:04:30 PM
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"Andrew Rybenkov" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>wrote in
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If Borland doesn't has resources even for service packs, why does it
stay in most costly state? Wouldn't it be just sensible to relocate to
more low-cost state? Of course, relocation, will take big sum, but it
would be one-time expenses.

It is the only state which promotes sequels.
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Re: Leaving California?

If Borland doesn't has resources even for service packs, why does it stay in most
costly state? Wouldn't it be just sensible to relocate to more low-cost state?
Of course, relocation, will take big sum, but it would be one-time expenses.
Do I miss something?
 

Re: Leaving California?

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It is the only state which promotes sequels.
Ha-ha ;)
I remember, last time I visited Paramount site, they claimed
they are the only cinema company that still resided in Hollywood.
 

Re: Leaving California?

"Andrew Rybenkov" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes news:XXXX@XXXXX.COM...
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If Borland doesn't has resources even for service packs, why does it stay in most
costly state? Wouldn't it be just sensible to relocate to more low-cost state?
Of course, relocation, will take big sum, but it would be one-time expenses.

Do I miss something?
The costliest city in the 'costliest' state
is a magnet for the homeless. Maybe
Borland thinks the homeless know something
we don't. <g>
--
Hilton Evans
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ChemPen Chemical Structure Software
www.chempensoftware.com
 

Re: Leaving California?

"Andrew Rybenkov" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>wrote
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If Borland doesn't has resources even for service packs, why does it stay
in most
costly state? Wouldn't it be just sensible to relocate to more low-cost
state?
Why stop at the state level? What about India?
 

Re: Leaving California?

The crisis which is causing companies to leave California is primarily due
to the excessive workers compensation insurance costs as compared to other
states. However, the cost is not significantly different for clerical
office staff.. which is probably a large extent of Borlands work force. The
cost savings could take years to earn back.
 

Re: Leaving California?

"Andrew Rybenkov" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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If Borland doesn't has resources even for service packs, why does it stay
in most
costly state? Wouldn't it be just sensible to relocate to more low-cost
state?
Of course, relocation, will take big sum, but it would be one-time
expenses.

Do I miss something?
Yes. You missed the TYPE of resources that Borland needs in order to make
service packs in a more timely manner: very high end human capital (which is
always in short supply), which has nothing to do with real estate prices.
 

Re: Leaving California?

You missed a *LOT*
For starters real brains may not want to move anywhere else.
The HQ is located in Scotts Valley, 10 minutes drive to the state beaches,
out of their office building they can see Mountains, its 4 hours drive to
the Sierras for winter skiing. Not many places in the world gives you access
to these beautiful natural resources. I live 20 miles from Borland and I am
certainly not moving anywhere else.
As captain Jake pointed out, the type of resources are what it takes to grow
companies like Borland. The ex Governor of California was recalled in part
because of the budget mess the state is in but it is still the word's number
5 in GNP. Noting is perfect in California but Borland leaving California is
definitely not the solution.
Chris
"Andrew Rybenkov" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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If Borland doesn't has resources even for service packs, why does it stay
in most
costly state? Wouldn't it be just sensible to relocate to more low-cost
state?
Of course, relocation, will take big sum, but it would be one-time
expenses.

Do I miss something?

--
Andrew Rybenkov.




 

Re: Leaving California?

On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 09:00:05 -0800, "chrisC" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>
writes:
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Noting is perfect in California but Borland leaving California is
definitely not the solution.
I shudder to think what the costs would be, and how many high-quality
employees they'd lose. The mind boggles simply at the thought of
such a folly.
Nick Hodges - TeamB
Lemanix Corporation
Please always follow the newsgroup guidelines --
www.borland.com/newsgroups
 

Re: Leaving California?

Why can not these type of service pack projects be self financing????
Borland should....
* Canvas the user base for priority fixes
* Estrimate the development and packaging costs
* Allowing for a sensible return provide a service pack unit cost which
users can then sign up for.
"Andrew Rybenkov" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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If Borland doesn't has resources even for service packs, why does it stay
in most
costly state? Wouldn't it be just sensible to relocate to more low-cost
state?
Of course, relocation, will take big sum, but it would be one-time
expenses.

Do I miss something?

--
Andrew Rybenkov.




 

Re: Leaving California?

"Nick Hodges (TeamB)" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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I shudder to think what the costs would be, and how many high-quality
employees they'd lose. The mind boggles simply at the thought of
such a folly.
The modern approach is to leave the location as-is and outsource.
 

Re: Leaving California?

Come to Germany. The staff cost is nearly the same, but the quality is
better. Moreover the German engineers are keen on Pascal (e.g. FreePascal).
"Andrew Rybenkov" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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If Borland doesn't has resources even for service packs, why does it stay
in most
costly state? Wouldn't it be just sensible to relocate to more low-cost
state?
Of course, relocation, will take big sum, but it would be one-time
expenses.

Do I miss something?

--
Andrew Rybenkov.




 

Re: Leaving California?

<g>
Come to Fargo, ND! The land is plentiful. We have 3 colleges in a
community of ~150,000 that have excellent comp sci programs, all the
graduates leave when they are done most would like to stay but, no jobs.
It is a nice community of hard working people, the average pay would be
a lot lower than in CA, salary savings would be huge. Yeah it gets cold
but that keeps the riff raff out. :)
If they did this I could finally get some good Delphi training, beyond
books and such ;)
Ross
 

Re: Leaving California?

"davout" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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Borland should....
* Canvas the user base for priority fixes
* Estrimate the development and packaging costs
* Allowing for a sensible return provide a service pack unit cost which
users can then sign up for.
Well, 1 is a done deal, it is called Quality Central
I imagine that point 2 is a constantly ongoing process
Point three is Software Assurance, and/or a paid service call.
So, whats missing from the equation?
Mike
 

Re: Leaving California?

"Nick Hodges (TeamB)" <XXXX@XXXXX.COM>writes
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I shudder to think what the costs would be, and how many high-quality
employees they'd lose. The mind boggles simply at the thought of
such a folly.

Probably more damage done than a magnitude 7 earthquake!
It's funny how some equate technology intellectual property to bricks and
mortars.
Chris