> > Please send me one of thoses programs. Thank you

> Highly unlikely that anyone would do this, since it's illegal and
> unethical to do so (not to mention being the recipient of such
> software). Turbo Pascal - even old versions - has always been a
> commercial product.

>dick Wisan wrote:

>> I is illegal, of course, but I'm coming to think it shouldn't be.  If
>> Borland _would_ sell the old versions, the standard rule would be
>> perfectly fair, but they don't, and there's _nobody_ from whom you
>> can legally get one of those small early versions any more.  If
>> they refuse to sell them, we ought to be free to pass around what
>> we have.

>But you _are_ free to pass around anything you have. The problem arises
>when computer software is involved. With software, you don't give it to
>someone like you would, say, a car or a book; what you do is give a copy
>of it, and this is where the copyright law says "no."

>All you have to do is find someone who doesn't want their's anymore.

> > >> Please send me one of thoses programs. Thank you

> > >   Highly unlikely that anyone would do this, since it's illegal and
> > >unethical to do so (not to mention being the recipient of such software).
> > >Turbo Pascal - even old versions - has always been a commercial product.

> > I is illegal, of course, but I'm coming to think it shouldn't be.  If
> > Borland _would_ sell the old versions, the standard rule would be
> > perfectly fair, but they don't, and there's _nobody_ from whom you
> > can legally get one of those small early versions any more.  If
> > they refuse to sell them, we ought to be free to pass around what
> > we have.

>    What we feel is reasonable or proper isn't the issue here, since
> Borland has the legal right to prohibit such distribution.  As a
> practical matter, they probably wouldn't sue someone who did so, but who
> knows?  I wouldn't take the chance, regardless of my ethics which
> wouldn't permit me to do it - I continue to honor Borland's right to do
> this.

>    I doubt Borland cares at all.  If they did, they'd be right out there
> in the marketplace with a highly competitive 32 bit DOS product (which
> they are obviously not doing...).

> >    I doubt Borland cares at all.  If they did, they'd be right out there
> > in the marketplace with a highly competitive 32 bit DOS product (which
> > they are obviously not doing...).

> [...]

> > Highly unlikely even if it were legal and ethical. Those of us with old
> > versions guard them jealously. Like museum pieces.

> Here's a question for someone with an old museum piece - I have purchased
> every release of TP since 3.0, but I no longer have the disks for
> anything earlier than TP 5.5

> If someone has the TP 5.0 version, there is a basic spreadsheet
> demo program called TCALC that is not done in OOP.

> I would very much appreciate it if I could get a copy of this demo
> program - I find the OOP versions that come with TP 5.5, TP6, etc.,
> almost impossible to understand or modify.

> I don't think Borland would consider this a violation of their copyright
> - this is source for a demo, and not one of their executables. And they
> give the demo free to illustrate how their software works.

> Please, some kind soul, help me out - I've asked everyone I know, but
> they have lost their disks or loaned them to someone and don't know who.

> Best Regards,

> Mike
> CEO, Analog & Digital Design
> Automated Production Test
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><SNIP>
>: learning.  I also don't think that borland would really care if
>: someone pirated one of those old programs
><SPLIT>
>actually i think they would mind.
>i mean you would most likely mind if one of your old games or apps
>were being pirated wouldnt you? thought so...
>i know i would... and i think that most people reading this group
>would mind to...

>:
>: "Pirated" is a big word.  I'd resent it all right if someone were
>: selling back versions of something of mine.  But, he's talking
>: about giving away something that Borland doesn't want to sell any
>: more.
>:
>It is still pirating.

>{*word*106} Wisan wrote:

> > I is illegal, of course, but I'm coming to think it shouldn't be.  If
> > Borland _would_ sell the old versions, the standard rule would be
> > perfectly fair, but they don't, and there's _nobody_ from whom you
> > can legally get one of those small early versions any more.  If
> > they refuse to sell them, we ought to be free to pass around what
> > we have.

> But you _are_ free to pass around anything you have. The problem arises
> when computer software is involved. With software, you don't give it to
> someone like you would, say, a car or a book; what you do is give a copy
> of it, and this is where the copyright law says "no."

> All you have to do is find someone who doesn't want their's anymore.

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