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Borland ships Delphi Upgrade

In message <[email protected]> - "John P.McCreesh"
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<[email protected]> writes:

:>
:>From Compu$erve:
:>
:>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
:> Attention Delphi Developers: Get the latest update to Delphi and
:> Delphi Client/Server today!
:>
:> Call 1-800-453-3375. extension 1327 to get your update CD or Disks.
:>
:> What you'll get in the update
:>
:> The Delphi for Windows update includes:
:> * Maximum compatibility with Visual dBase 5.5
:> * The latest version of the Borland Database Engine
:> * The most recent version of the Local InterBase Server
:> * Improved context sensitive help in Delphi
:> * The most recent Technical Information bulletins and Frequently
:>   Asked Questions from Delphi Tech Support
:> * Adobe Acrobat versions of the Delphi Language Reference Manual
:>   and VCL Reference manual
:> * The most recent version of ReportSmith

        Is this the 32-bit Delphi or just a point release of the 16-bit app?

            thanx & later,

                Ben Scherrey
                [email protected]

 

Re:Borland ships Delphi Upgrade


From Compu$erve:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 Attention Delphi Developers: Get the latest update to Delphi and
 Delphi Client/Server today!

 Call 1-800-453-3375. extension 1327 to get your update CD or Disks.

 What you'll get in the update

 The Delphi for Windows update includes:
 * Maximum compatibility with Visual dBase 5.5
 * The latest version of the Borland Database Engine
 * The most recent version of the Local InterBase Server
 * Improved context sensitive help in Delphi
 * The most recent Technical Information bulletins and Frequently
   Asked Questions from Delphi Tech Support
 * Adobe Acrobat versions of the Delphi Language Reference Manual
   and VCL Reference manual
 * The most recent version of ReportSmith

 The Delphi Client/Server update also includes:
 * Support for Informix 5.x
 * Support for Oracle synonyms
 * Supports the Sybase forced index feature

 Call 1-800-453-3375. extension 1327 to get your update CD or Disks.
 An update CD is only $5.95 plus $5 shipping and handling
 An update Disk set in only $19.95 plus $5 shipping and handling

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Re:Borland ships Delphi Upgrade


In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...

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>In message <[email protected]> - "John P.McCreesh"
><[email protected]> writes:
>:>
>:>From Compu$erve:
>:>
>:>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>:> Attention Delphi Developers: Get the latest update to Delphi and
>:> Delphi Client/Server today!
>:>
>:> Call 1-800-453-3375. extension 1327 to get your update CD or Disks.
>:>
>:> What you'll get in the update
>:>
>:> The Delphi for Windows update includes:
>:> * Maximum compatibility with Visual dBase 5.5
>:> * The latest version of the Borland Database Engine
>:> * The most recent version of the Local InterBase Server
>:> * Improved context sensitive help in Delphi
>:> * The most recent Technical Information bulletins and Frequently
>:>   Asked Questions from Delphi Tech Support
>:> * Adobe Acrobat versions of the Delphi Language Reference Manual
>:>   and VCL Reference manual
>:> * The most recent version of ReportSmith

>        Is this the 32-bit Delphi or just a point release of the 16-bit
app?

>            thanx & later,

>                Ben Scherrey
>                [email protected]

It's not Delphi 32 unfortunately. Just a desperately needed update to the
Delphi we already know and love.

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Re:Borland ships Delphi Upgrade


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John P.McCreesh ([email protected]) wrote:

: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
:  Attention Delphi Developers: Get the latest update to Delphi and
:  Delphi Client/Server today!
:
:  Call 1-800-453-3375. extension 1327 to get your update CD or Disks.
:
:  What you'll get in the update
:
:  The Delphi for Windows update includes:
:  * Maximum compatibility with Visual dBase 5.5
:  * The latest version of the Borland Database Engine
:  * The most recent version of the Local InterBase Server
:  * Improved context sensitive help in Delphi
:  * The most recent Technical Information bulletins and Frequently
:    Asked Questions from Delphi Tech Support
:  * Adobe Acrobat versions of the Delphi Language Reference Manual
:    and VCL Reference manual
:  * The most recent version of ReportSmith
:
:  The Delphi Client/Server update also includes:
:  * Support for Informix 5.x
:  * Support for Oracle synonyms
:  * Supports the Sybase forced index feature
:
:  Call 1-800-453-3375. extension 1327 to get your update CD or Disks.
:  An update CD is only $5.95 plus $5 shipping and handling
:  An update Disk set in only $19.95 plus $5 shipping and handling
:

When will this be available overseas (in Australia)?

---
John

Re:Borland ships Delphi Upgrade


In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...

:  The Delphi for Windows update includes:
:  * Maximum compatibility with Visual dBase 5.5
:  * The latest version of the Borland Database Engine
:  * The most recent version of the Local InterBase Server
:  * Improved context sensitive help in Delphi
:  * The most recent Technical Information bulletins and Frequently
:    Asked Questions from Delphi Tech Support
:  * Adobe Acrobat versions of the Delphi Language Reference Manual
:    and VCL Reference manual
:  * The most recent version of ReportSmith
:
:  The Delphi Client/Server update also includes:
:  * Support for Informix 5.x
:  * Support for Oracle synonyms
:  * Supports the Sybase forced index feature

How much of this is available over the net?  (i.e. from Borland's FTP
site?)

Re:Borland ships Delphi Upgrade


Does this upgrade add support for OLE Automation? If not does anyone know
if Borland plans to add complete OLE 2.x support in a 16 bit version?

Thanks,

Steve Buresh
[email protected]

Re:Borland ships Delphi Upgrade


Quote
>: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>:  Attention Delphi Developers: Get the latest update to Delphi and
>:  Delphi Client/Server today!
>:
>:  Call 1-800-453-3375. extension 1327 to get your update CD or Disks.
>:
>:  What you'll get in the update
>:
>:  The Delphi for Windows update includes:
>:  * Maximum compatibility with Visual dBase 5.5
>:  * The latest version of the Borland Database Engine
>:  * The most recent version of the Local InterBase Server
>:  * Improved context sensitive help in Delphi
>:  * The most recent Technical Information bulletins and Frequently
>:    Asked Questions from Delphi Tech Support
>:  * Adobe Acrobat versions of the Delphi Language Reference Manual
>:    and VCL Reference manual
>:  * The most recent version of ReportSmith
>:
>:  The Delphi Client/Server update also includes:
>:  * Support for Informix 5.x
>:  * Support for Oracle synonyms
>:  * Supports the Sybase forced index feature
>:
>:  Call 1-800-453-3375. extension 1327 to get your update CD or Disks.
>:  An update CD is only $5.95 plus $5 shipping and handling
>:  An update Disk set in only $19.95 plus $5 shipping and handling
>: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I'm sorry...I'm a bit confused. Borland wants to charge us for bug
fixes and products that are already available for free download?
Having called the order # for this product, I was unable to ascertain
a reason to "upgrade" to this version of Delphi. For the desktop edition,
4 of the 7 "new" features are simply database/report engine updates to
provide support for dBase 5.5. Silly me, I thought that Borland wanted
us to buy their software development tools and actually be able to use
them together. Perhaps a more economical solution would be to simply not
purchase dBase 5.5... As for the ramaining "new" features, they seem like
bug fixes (corrections to the "context-sensitive" help) and other
information we could download for free (Language/VCL Reference Manuals) if
we weren't gullible enough to pay for them when they were first released
(I dropped an extra $35 for those two well written tomes).

I know that $10.95 is a trivial amount of money; but it is the principle
that counts. Charging customers for bug fixes is almost as bad as charging
them the beta test their new products...ahem...These updates should be
freely available to those of us that have already paid $189-$2,999. One
final thought, since Borland products come with a 90-day money back guarantee,
maybe returning our copies of Delphi is an option...

Re:Borland ships Delphi Upgrade


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Steve Buresh <[email protected]> wrote:
>Does this upgrade add support for OLE Automation? If not does anyone know
>if Borland plans to add complete OLE 2.x support in a 16 bit version?

On the CD with the book called "Mastering Delphi" by Marc (?) Cantu, there's a
shareware (?) component (or something) that demonstrates how to use OLE
Automation to control MS Word. I haven't had the time to check this out
more fully, but I think it's worth a look.

Regards,
--
Svein G. Glenndal
Digital Logikk AS
Norway

Re:Borland ships Delphi Upgrade


In <[email protected]>, "Michael I. Blonsky" <Michael_I._Blonsky%[email protected]> writes:
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>>: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>:  Attention Delphi Developers: Get the latest update to Delphi and
>>:  Delphi Client/Server today!
>>:
>>:  Call 1-800-453-3375. extension 1327 to get your update CD or Disks.
>>:
>>:  What you'll get in the update
>>:
>>:  The Delphi for Windows update includes:
blah blah
>>:  An update CD is only $5.95 plus $5 shipping and handling
>>:  An update Disk set in only $19.95 plus $5 shipping and handling
>>: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>I'm sorry...I'm a bit confused. Borland wants to charge us for bug
>fixes and products that are already available for free download?
>Having called the order # for this product, I was unable to ascertain
>a reason to "upgrade" to this version of Delphi. For the desktop edition,
>4 of the 7 "new" features are simply database/report engine updates to
>provide support for dBase 5.5. Silly me, I thought that Borland wanted
>us to buy their software development tools and actually be able to use
>them together. Perhaps a more economical solution would be to simply not
>purchase dBase 5.5... As for the ramaining "new" features, they seem like
>bug fixes (corrections to the "context-sensitive" help) and other
>information we could download for free (Language/VCL Reference Manuals) if
>we weren't gullible enough to pay for them when they were first released
>(I dropped an extra $35 for those two well written tomes).

>I know that $10.95 is a trivial amount of money; but it is the principle
>that counts. Charging customers for bug fixes is almost as bad as charging
>them the beta test their new products...ahem...These updates should be
>freely available to those of us that have already paid $189-$2,999. One
>final thought, since Borland products come with a 90-day money back guarantee,
>maybe returning our copies of Delphi is an option...

Even If you could / can download all the patches...
That would cost most of us 10.95 or more just to download
Plus you still have to buy media to put it on 17 disks @ $.40 = $6.80
10.95 (plus tax in many places BTW)
IS ONE HECK OF A DEAL !!!!  IMHO

Re:Borland ships Delphi Upgrade


In article <[email protected]>,
   73353,[email protected] wrote:

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>Even If you could / can download all the patches...
>That would cost most of us 10.95 or more just to download
>Plus you still have to buy media to put it on 17 disks @ $.40 = $6.80
>10.95 (plus tax in many places BTW)
>IS ONE HECK OF A DEAL !!!!  IMHO

Oh, please.  You don't normally put patches on diskettes -- you put them in a
directory, update your installation, and then get rid of them.  And if you
needed to keep 'em why not just keep it ZIPed up on your HD or something?  17
disks?  If it's really an update, and not a full version, it shouldn't need 17
disks.  And as for costing to download . . . you use a metered-by-the-minute
service?  Pity, but we who don't do that shouldn't be forced to pay for
something that they could/should offer for free.  (They're not mutually
exclusive -- a disk or CD-ROM option for people like you, a free option for
those of us with the resources to download it.)

Kendall

Re:Borland ships Delphi Upgrade


In article <[email protected]>,
Michael_I._Blonsky%[email protected] says...

Quote

>I know that $10.95 is a trivial amount of money; but it is the principle
>that counts. Charging customers for bug fixes ...

I personally feel that $10.95, heck even $20 bucks, would be a fair price to
obtain these fixes/updates.  You mentioned that one could obtain these things
for free by downloading them... is it really free?  Are we not be connect
charges of some sort to be connected to either the net or CI$?  As large as
some of these files are I'm sure that the cost of downloading them would just
about equal out to the cost of the CD.  Which would you rather have a
downloaded copy, which may or may not be bad and could always be removed off
your disk one way or the other... or would you rather have these fixes/updates
on a more permanent media such as a CD?

Also, I know from experience that burning a CD, a full 500MB worth of data,
will cost anywhere from $120 to $200.  I don't believe that Borland is out to
make a profit here with these update/fixes, atleast not when they are only
charge $10 or $12 bucks for it.

Anthony
[email protected]

Re:Borland ships Delphi Upgrade


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[email protected] (Anthony Maske) writes:
>I personally feel that $10.95, heck even $20 bucks, would be a fair price to
>obtain these fixes/updates.  You mentioned that one could obtain these things

[snip]

So if the fixes do nothing for your problems, do you realize you are just
throwing money in the trash can?  Why don't you just mail it to me instead? :-)

If you get it and it does not fix your problems, you can say good bye to the
money, because you cannot get it back.

I don't know about everyone else, but I want to know what I am getting first.

In any case, if it was available via the internet, the cost would be FREE for
me, since I'd use my employer's internet connection.

Regards,
Don.

Re:Borland ships Delphi Upgrade


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[email protected] (Anthony Maske) writes:
>Also, I know from experience that burning a CD, a full 500MB worth of data,
>will cost anywhere from $120 to $200.  I don't believe that Borland is out to
>make a profit here with these update/fixes, atleast not when they are only
>charge $10 or $12 bucks for it.

>Anthony
>[email protected]

Oh please.... Do you think mass production of CD's cost that much per?  Get
real.  How would ANY company make a profit on any s/w under $200 if that
were the case.  Given that win95 upgrade was only $90, I hardly think MS
payed $200 to burn the cd.  I don't know if MS even paid a whole dollar
to have it burned.

Regards,
Don.

Re:Borland ships Delphi Upgrade


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Steve Buresh ([email protected]) wrote:

: Does this upgrade add support for OLE Automation? If not does anyone know
: if Borland plans to add complete OLE 2.x support in a 16 bit version?

Someone has done one of those already...

--
"If we confine the concept of weeds to species adapted to human disturbance,
then humankind is by definition the first and primary weed under whose
influence all other weeds have evolved."
      Jack R. Halston, Crops and Man (1975)

Re:Borland ships Delphi Upgrade


I get upset by all the gripes about about spending $11 on
an update CD for Delphi.  I spend that much on gourmet coffee and
junk food in a couple of days.  What's $11 if it gets you a more
reliable and stable product?  As far as "principle" goes, I think the
realities of the competative market has thrown these right out the
window (no pun intended).  Micorsoft can sell all their applications
and developmenttools at "bargin ba{*word*224}t" prices because their cash
cow operatingsystems keep filling their coffers.  In order to compete
others must match the price, but sacrifice the big profits.  
As users of non-Microsoft products, maybe we have to "contrtibute"
a little extra once in a while to get the superior products we enjoy.

So drink Folgers for a week, order the upgrade, and quite griping!

-- Jochen

(The opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of my employer.
In fact, my employer doesn't even know or care if I have an opinion.)

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