Indy sucks :( Warning this is a rant..

chad...@pbe.com (Kudzu - Team Winshoes)

Delphi Developer

Thu, 09 Jan 2003 03:00:00 GMT

Indy sucks :( Warning this is a rant..

achen1...@yahoo.com (allen chen) wrote in <39721285@dnews>:

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>Is it possible to have a Windows version of Indy and a Linux version of
>Indy, so we can avoid trying to accomodate two very different OSs?

Why? As far as the stack is concerned they are nearly identical. NO
sacrifices were made in Indy to compensate Windows OR Linux.

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>Simplicity made Delphi the coolest RAD tool out there. But even Delphi
>does not dare to sacrifice that "simplicity" to accomodate Linux.

It doesnt, and neither does Kylix.

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>Instead it created a whole new version, "Kylix". So may be we can do

Respectfully, it sounds like you dont really have any first hand knowledge
of Kylix. And if this is true, noone who does have such knowledge would not
be permitted to give you information. So are you working on assumptions or
first hand knowledge?

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>the same for Winshoes? This way, the windows developers (I am sure it
>will remain the majority for a very long time) will still be happy with
>the "simplicity" in Winshoes. Just a suggestion.

Kylix is if anything, SIMPLER than Winshoes. Yes, it does contain MORE
protocols, but the base stuff is simpler and much better organized than
Winshoes 7.

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>Finally, I got to say something about the help files. We need some
>major attention here. It lacks the basic instuctions on how to install

Yes, we stated that in our release. It mentioned that the docs were merely
a shell and that a major doc effort was under way as part of Phase 2.

Still, there are more docs with Indy than Winshoes 7 had, even in their
nearly empty form.

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Kudzu - Team Winsho

Delphi Developer

Thu, 09 Jan 2003 03:00:00 GMT

Re:Indy sucks :( Warning this is a rant..

oma00...@mail.wvnet.edu (J. Peter Mugaas) wrote in
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>Actually, this can be easier than you would think because are structuring
>it in such a way that it's just a matter of including files for Windows
>and others for Linux plus a few other things in some other files.

Actually Linux only affects TWO files. IdGlobals and the stack interface.

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Chad Z. Hower (Kudzu) - Church Hill, TN - Nevrona Designs / Team Winshoes
"Programming is an art form that fights back"
Forget the Y2K problem, Lets fix the W2K problem. (I suggest Linux)
http://www.pbe.com/Kudzu/ - Free Delphi/CBuilder components and articles
http://www.pbe.com/Kudzu/Internet/ - Everything Internet for Delphi / CB

Kudzu - Team Winsho

Delphi Developer

Thu, 09 Jan 2003 03:00:00 GMT

Re:Indy sucks :( Warning this is a rant..

i...@bruin.nl (Bruin BV.) wrote in <8kultd$...@bornews.borland.com>:

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>Actually i did have a very good look at it. And although Indy is better
>organized, it is also far less easy to program with.

Give specific examples please. It sounds more like it is just the changes
and lack of docs that are causing you troubles, and not Indy's
"simplicity".

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Chad Z. Hower (Kudzu) - Church Hill, TN - Nevrona Designs / Team Winshoes
"Programming is an art form that fights back"
Forget the Y2K problem, Lets fix the W2K problem. (I suggest Linux)
http://www.pbe.com/Kudzu/ - Free Delphi/CBuilder components and articles
http://www.pbe.com/Kudzu/Internet/ - Everything Internet for Delphi / CB

Kudzu - Team Winsho

Delphi Developer

Thu, 09 Jan 2003 03:00:00 GMT

Re:Indy sucks :( Warning this is a rant..

i...@bruin.nl (Bruin BV.) wrote in <8kumid$...@bornews.borland.com>:

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>That still doesn't take away the fact that Indy is far less simple to
>use than WinShoes 7.x..

you have stated this at least 3 times now, please provide examples.

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>Some of the renames are unlogical, and taking away the simple read/write

Again, give concrete examples. Which renames?

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>Functions and replacing them by
>Procedures (readbuffer/writebuffer) is very obscure and illogical from a
>user point of view.

Which functions were eliminated?

If funcitons are missing it is likely tehy were renamed, moved to a
different base class, or in a rare case depreicated. The buffer functions
also existed in Winshoes 7, and are not replacements.

Please do not jump hastiliy to conclusions, especially about a beta.

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Chad Z. Hower (Kudzu) - Church Hill, TN - Nevrona Designs / Team Winshoes
"Programming is an art form that fights back"
Forget the Y2K problem, Lets fix the W2K problem. (I suggest Linux)
http://www.pbe.com/Kudzu/ - Free Delphi/CBuilder components and articles
http://www.pbe.com/Kudzu/Internet/ - Everything Internet for Delphi / CB