Re: Idle thoughts

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)

CBuilder Developer

Re: Idle thoughts

2003-10-16 07:46:23 PM
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Ken de Camargo Jr. wrote:

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What concerns me is the idea that people who criticise become
automatically labelled "doomsayers" and shut off. That is not
reasonable IMHO.
I don't think that is what was happening here. Some people were making

big assumptions based on no data, but only on other assumptions. Others
read those as fact and based their opinions on it, etc. That is how
opinions here escalated, I think.

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I may be wrong, but I believe that tomorrow's letter was also at least
partly due to requests that popped up here.
I don't know if it is tomorrow, but I think that was indeed the fact. I

gave the Delphi example because that happened already. <g>
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Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)
"Logic is in the eye of the logician."
- Gloria Steinem

Ken de Camargo Jr. [*TTFKAD]

CBuilder Developer

2003-10-16 07:47:00 PM

Re:Re: Idle thoughts

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

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>What concerns me is the idea that people who criticise become
>automatically labelled "doomsayers" and shut off. That is not
>reasonable IMHO.
I don't think that is what was happening here. Some people were making
big assumptions based on no data, but only on other assumptions.
Others read those as fact and based their opinions on it, etc. That
is how opinions here escalated, I think.
I hope I am wrong.

I do see opinions escalating on both sides of the argument, however. :)

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I don't know if it is tomorrow, but I think that was indeed the fact.
We'll see.

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I gave the Delphi example because that happened already. <g>
You have a future in politics. :)

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Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)

CBuilder Developer

2003-10-16 07:57:22 PM

Re:Re: Idle thoughts

Ken de Camargo Jr. [*TTFKAD] wrote:

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I hope I am wrong.

I do see opinions escalating on both sides of the argument, however. :)
I think I know why, but am not sure if I am able (ot allowed) to explain.

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>I gave the Delphi example because that happened already. <g>

You have a future in politics. :)
Not in Germany. <g>

--
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)
"What do you take me for, an idiot?"
-- General Charles de Gaulle (1890-1970), when a journalist asked him if
he was happy

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Ken de Camargo Jr. [*TTFKAD]

CBuilder Developer

2003-10-16 08:04:19 PM

Re:Re: Idle thoughts

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

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>I do see opinions escalating on both sides of the argument,
>however. :)
I think I know why, but am not sure if I am able (ot allowed) to
explain.
Oh, dear.

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>You have a future in politics. :)
Not in Germany. <g>
Why not? Do they have anything against dentists? :)

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Remy Lebeau (TeamB)

CBuilder Developer

2003-10-17 02:26:12 AM

Re:Re: Idle thoughts

"Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message

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And I agree, TeamB is chosen by TeamB, not by the users.
Perhaps. But in order to become a TeamB member in the first place,

individuals have to show that they can work well with the users and
understand them and what they are going through.
Gambit

Remy Lebeau (TeamB)

CBuilder Developer

2003-10-17 02:27:07 AM

Re:Re: Idle thoughts

"Remy Lebeau (TeamB)" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message

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Perhaps. But in order to become a TeamB member in the first place,
individuals have to show that they can work well with the users and
understand them and what they are going through.
Particularly since the majority (if not all) of TeamB are users themselves.

Gambit

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)

CBuilder Developer

2003-10-17 02:35:14 AM

Re:Re: Idle thoughts

Remy Lebeau (TeamB) wrote:

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"Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
news:xn0d4lv8x3qbvp000rudyspc@none-8cxr845nph...

>And I agree, TeamB is chosen by TeamB, not by the users.

Perhaps. But in order to become a TeamB member in the first place,
individuals have to show that they can work well with the users and
understand them and what they are going through.
Oh, I know that. <g>

But it is not exactly what John said.
--
Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)
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- Paul Erdos

Remy Lebeau (TeamB)

CBuilder Developer

2003-10-17 05:30:38 AM

Re:Re: Idle thoughts

"Rudy Velthuis (TeamB)" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message

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But it is not exactly what John said.
"Oh, I know that. <g>"

That's like saying polititians are elected without any public voting because
they simply understand the people. Which we all know is {*word*99} in real life,
the polititians never think about the people, only themselves. Good thing
TeamB members are not polititians :-)
Gambit

John Kaster (Borland)

CBuilder Developer

2003-10-17 06:34:25 AM

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Mike wrote:

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You first;
No thanks.

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if you could/would, you'd done it. No evidence, no case;
take your statement back.
Sorry, this is pointless. I am done.

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John Kaster (Borland)

CBuilder Developer

2003-10-17 06:35:33 AM

Re:Re: Idle thoughts

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

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And I agree, TeamB is chosen by TeamB, not by the users.
Where did TeamB come from?

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John Kaster (Borland)

CBuilder Developer

2003-10-17 06:36:44 AM

Re:Re: Idle thoughts

Remy Lebeau (TeamB) wrote:

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Perhaps. But in order to become a TeamB member in the first place,
individuals have to show that they can work well with the users and
understand them and what they are going through.
Correct. In order to become a TeamB member, you have to be a newsgroup

user first. All TeamB members came from the newsgroup participants.
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John Kaster (Borland)

CBuilder Developer

2003-10-17 06:37:15 AM

Re:Re: Idle thoughts

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:

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But it is not exactly what John said.
it is what I meant, however.

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William Meyer

CBuilder Developer

2003-10-17 06:50:34 AM

Re:Re: Idle thoughts

On 14-Oct-03, Mike said:

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Summary dismissal doesn't your point, not that it's your original
point to being with. Are all people who disagree with you "ravers"?
Summary dismissal is what follows when you defy logic.

Like John, I'm done. This is pointless.
--
Bill
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"We may become the first society destroyed by its own experts --
especially experts in fields where there is no expertise that can be
verified by facts." -- Thomas Sowell

William Meyer

CBuilder Developer

2003-10-17 06:50:35 AM

Re:Re: Idle thoughts

On 16-Oct-03, John Kaster (Borland) said:

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Where did TeamB come from?
From the forehead of Zeus? <g>

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Bill
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"We may become the first society destroyed by its own experts --
especially experts in fields where there is no expertise that can be
verified by facts." -- Thomas Sowell

David Erbas-White

CBuilder Developer

2003-10-17 07:07:18 AM

Re:Re: Idle thoughts

John Kaster (Borland) wrote:

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>if you could/would, you'd done it. No evidence, no case;
>take your statement back.

Sorry, this is pointless. I am done.

John,

Rather than responding to a communication that you consider pointless,
would you be so kind as to respond to the query I posted yesterday
(10/15/03, at 8:35 AM) asking you two quick questions?
David Erbas-White