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Re: Why replace a Ferrari with a snail?


2004-05-08 06:07:11 AM
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At 23:47:31, 07.05.2004, David Erbas-White wrote:
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If what I've heard about Ferrari's is correct, it might also be
indicative of the reliability of the product...
The current F1 Ferraris are the most reliable cars on the tracks, and
that since a few years already. They are extremely reliable, and this has
already made Formula 1 a little unspectacular. <g>
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the roller of an electric typewriter?" -- Woody Allen.
 
 

Re:Re: Why replace a Ferrari with a snail?

Rudy Velthuis (TeamB) wrote:
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>>What if you go back to a Ferrari?
>Is that the price bracket for the new products? <g>
ROTFLMBO!
I hope Robert doesn't mind that. :)
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Re:Re: Why replace a Ferrari with a snail?

My opinion is why do we need .NET. I can perform the same computer
instruction with any computer language. Why should I rewrite my software
all over again. Is Microsoft or someone else going to write another
language where I have to do this all over again? At what point does this
process stop? .NET only runs on Windows. VB, C, C++, PASCAL, PC assembler,
Fortran and others run on Windows. Why do I have to use .NET? Is .NET the
greatest thing just for new programmers because of the frame work? I don't
know. All my customers care about is does it work... OK Keep up the good
work.
 

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Re:Re: Why replace a Ferrari with a snail?

Bob wrote:
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.NET only runs on Windows.
Not quite.
www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/software/story/0,10801,92971
,00.html
or
shorterlink.com/?2FWDLK
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Re:Re: Why replace a Ferrari with a snail?

C++ is arguably the best language today. Is it the perfect language?
No! Delphi, Java, C# all have certain features that makes them better in
certain areas. C# indeed is a good step in the direction of searching
for a better alternative tomorrow. I have seen enough people asking why
we are moving toward C++ when C does just fine, and why we use C
compilers when we can do whatever we want in Assembler. Is C# ready to
replace C++? I don't think so. Will it replace it ever? I don't think so
either, but it most likely will become {*word*109} in certain types of
development, the way Java did. C++ is great for a lot of thins, but it
does poorly in enterprise distributed systems. We live in a very exiting
and dynamic time, when a new wave of technology gets born. Let's enjoy it!
Bob wrote:
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My opinion is why do we need .NET. I can perform the same computer
instruction with any computer language. Why should I rewrite my software
all over again. Is Microsoft or someone else going to write another
language where I have to do this all over again? At what point does this
process stop? .NET only runs on Windows. VB, C, C++, PASCAL, PC assembler,
Fortran and others run on Windows. Why do I have to use .NET? Is .NET the
greatest thing just for new programmers because of the frame work? I don't
know. All my customers care about is does it work... OK Keep up the good
work.


 

Re:Re: Why replace a Ferrari with a snail?

Boian Mitov < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message news:<409be622$ XXXX@XXXXX.COM >...
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Thank you for posting on these groups. We appreciate it. Borland has
ruined in the past the trust of the people here. The lack of response,
the very bad customer relation ship( Did I say bad? I mean disastrous!
). The insane corporate policy of constant secrecy and policemen, for
information leaks. The customer confidence is severely eroded, and it
will take long time to heal, but it can happen. Please keep up the good
work. Don't get frustrated by the hostile replies from some of us. The
fact is that the more hostile the replies are probably the more those
people care, and the more frustrated they are with what Borland has done
to them. Please work to resurrect Borland as once it was - the leader in
this type of technology, and the center of a happy users worship - the
Dreamland. I can't tell you how happy I am to discover that Borland has
finally figured out that the key to success is a good customer
relationship. May be they are not such morons there in the management
after all. Tell Dale, that if he pulls that one, I will post my picture
with him on my web site, and will advertise him as the best CEO of
Borland ;-) . Tell him also that I still hold some shares, and I will
get to vote for him eventually, so he better not{*word*222}this out ;-).
Duh... Forget it I have already told him that ;-) . I guess I was not
the only one. The last year I was sure it was my last Borland
conference. You are in about to convince me that I was wrong :-) . I may
see you guys during the next one, if you keep making the turnaround.
In any case. One more time. Thank you for being with us in this news
group. Thank you for being concerned. I also know some details about
what causes BCB 6 IDE to crash, so if you want to know how to force the
problems, and what is the potential work around, please feel free to
contact me at XXXX@XXXXX.COM . You are the first Borland guy who shows
interest in learning what's wrong with C++ Builder, and that means a lot
to me and I am sure to the rest of us in the newsgroups.
With best regards,
Boian Mitov






Robert Ehteshamzadeh (Borland QA) wrote:

>What if you go back to a Ferrari?
>
I think that if Borland wants to get it's customer trust back it will
have to start selling its foundation or standard products again as
regular products, drop the "personal use only license" and bring the
new generation of Shareware people back into the fold who don't need
fancy database and "Enterprise" software for most of the apps they
develop. I think C++ and CBuilderX would probably be a good vehicle
for this since it uses WxWidgets which is under the LGPL and WxWidgets
license which allow proprietary cross platform software development
without paying TrollTech an arm and a leg. Unlike most of the people
here who insist on keeping the two language system (pascal VCL in a
C++ development environment) I would like to see the GUI builder
returned to CBuilderX but with WxWidgets and true C++ being the
underlying library.
 

Re:Re: Why replace a Ferrari with a snail?

On Fri, 7 May 2004 13:43:43 -0400, Stephan wrote:
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Wouldn't this, in the long run, make a continuous cycle of software
that relied on <promised>future computing capabilities?
Yes it does. Keeps us in employment :)
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if you have time, and some interest, you might be amused by comparing
the technology / design used to connect peripherals in the original Atari
computer to the USB standard.
I was lucky enough to spend five years working alongside a "less than young
person" who was an ex-IBM employee (retired from there actually). He was
able to point out how everything in IT seems to go round in cycles.
Technology improves but the same ideas seem to go round and round in and
out of favour.
It was particularly sad the way that the PC was making the same mistakes
and developing the same solutions that mainframes had a couple of decades
earlier.
--
Andrue Cope
[Bicester UK]
 

Re:Re: Why replace a Ferrari with a snail?

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C++ is arguably the best language today. Is it the perfect language?
No! Delphi, Java, C# all have certain features that makes them better in
certain areas. C# indeed is a good step in the direction of searching
Dont forget about python :) Blows em all away for pure productivity.
If there was only a decent IDE out there for it. *ahem*
 

Re:Re: Why replace a Ferrari with a snail?

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compilers when we can do whatever we want in Assembler. Is C# ready to
replace C++? I don't think so. Will it replace it ever? I don't think so
If you look at what they are doing for C++ in Widbey, you'll be pretty
convinced C++ will be a 1st class .net language for a long time.
 

Re:Re: Why replace a Ferrari with a snail?

XXXX@XXXXX.COM (Mike Margerum) writes:
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>C++ is arguably the best language today. Is it the perfect language?
>No! Delphi, Java, C# all have certain features that makes them better in
>certain areas. C# indeed is a good step in the direction of searching
Dont forget about python :) Blows em all away for pure productivity.
If there was only a decent IDE out there for it. *ahem*
Give me ruby over python any day. Ok, it's religious, so let's not
start a flame war over it. :)
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Chris (TeamB);
 

Re:Re: Why replace a Ferrari with a snail?

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Hardware always gets faster. Any drop in performance will be temporary.
We've already been below Moore's Law for about two years.
The slowdown is already happening, and its dubious we'll see in
the next decade the kind of performance improvements we saw
in the last.
Another hint is that power consumption will soon be back to 70s levels
(already is in some areas), which will bring a whole slew of issues
(just check the new Intel BTX specs and their huge CPU heatsinks requirements)
Z
 

Re:Re: Why replace a Ferrari with a snail?

zedd wrote:
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>Hardware always gets faster. Any drop in performance will be temporary.


We've already been below Moore's Law for about two years.
Moore's Law is more about transistor size, the amount that fit in a
particular die size, than about clock speed. Intel only did the clock
speed thing for marketing.
Micha
 

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On Wed, 12 May 2004 20:24:51 -0400, Chris Uzdavinis TeamB wrote:
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Give me ruby over python any day. Ok, it's religious, so let's not
start a flame war over it. :)
lol. That put me in mind of a snake dancer called Ruby who used a python.
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Andrue Cope
[Bicester UK]
 

Re:Re: Why replace a Ferrari with a snail?

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Moore's Law is more about transistor size
You imply that transistor size and count is on track?
It isn't, or we would be transitionning away from 60 nm
right now, not seeing the transition to 90nm.
Z
 

Re:Re: Why replace a Ferrari with a snail?

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Give me ruby over python any day. Ok, it's religious, so let's not
start a flame war over it. :)

I'm not a language zealot by any stretch. I regularaly use c, c++,
delphi, and python. Depends on the project. Ruby doesn't seem to be
significantly different than python and seems to lack a lot of library
support. What would you say are the compelling features of Ruby that
aren't in python?
Mike