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BCB ALTERNATIVES AND MIGRATION PATH


2004-11-06 05:45:27 AM
cppbuilder70
Hi there,
since we've spent huge amounts of time and money or built our businesses on
BCB, wich future is more than uncertain we're all interested in
alternatives and migration paths.
Since TeamB members have suggested that this isn't the right place to
discuss these matters, i've set up a site to do just that: create a
community to find solutions to our problems.
If you're interested, please visit www.bcbalternatives.de
Not much there right now, but this page is living from your input. Please
visit our forums or post news, articles and other stuff relating to BCB
alternatives and migration paths. Also projects can be hosted on this
server.
Please have a look. Cheers!
Gunnar
 
 

Re:BCB ALTERNATIVES AND MIGRATION PATH

Gunnar Beushausen wrote:
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If you're interested, please visit www.bcbalternatives.de
Thanks for the initiative.
--
Ken
planeta.terra.com.br/educacao/kencamargo/
* this is not a sig *
 

Re:BCB ALTERNATIVES AND MIGRATION PATH

Gunnar Beushausen < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote:
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If you're interested, please visit www.bcbalternatives.de
I hope we don't need this...
 

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Re:BCB ALTERNATIVES AND MIGRATION PATH

On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 22:45:27 +0100, Gunnar Beushausen
< XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote:
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If you're interested, please visit www.bcbalternatives.de
Great idea and thanks for the resource...
However, that has to be one of the busiest and confusing forum
interfaces I've ever seen! ;-)
---
Michael McCulloch
 

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"Leroy Casterline" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
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Gunnar Beushausen < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote:

>If you're interested, please visit www.bcbalternatives.de

I hope we don't need this...
Sadly *I* think we do.
To everyone:
Even if Borland say anything positive about future developments regarding
BCB (officially) would you trust them to commit to it in the future after
the way we have been treated in the past?
TIA,
Dave
 

Re:BCB ALTERNATIVES AND MIGRATION PATH

Quote
To everyone:
Even if Borland say anything positive about future developments regarding
BCB (officially) would you trust them to commit to it in the future after
the way we have been treated in the past?
There are not much options really. For me, I'm willing to forget and forgive
Borland as long as they bring something good to the BCB world again. BCB is
such a great tool, and I have sooooo much time, money and experience
invested here, that changing this to another framework/language will be too
expensive, and improductive, if possible at all. I know it might not be a
wise decision to continue with Borland after the lack of a clear path, but
me business depends on the products I already have, and I have to continue
supporting and creating new features for them for the next 5-10 years maybe
(I still have one of my 3 big apps in BCB4!!!), so a fixed IDE and up to
date VCL will be a great help, even if it's the last one.
I'm trying to find other options for new projects, or new versions of my
products, but they are practically limited to Delphi, as I depend on several
3rd party tools that are not available for other platarforms. But the STL is
not available to Delphi, and, of course, the 4 years of BCB (yes, I use
__finally, __property and so on) code I have must be translated... Bringing
BCB to the Delphi world seems to me that will give BCB a clear future (and
maybe a much broader audience than now), so I really have high hopes on not
having to search for alternatives.
--
Rodrigo Gómez
rgomez.msa.com.mx/gallery/
"David Cameron" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >escribi?en el mensaje
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"Leroy Casterline" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
news: XXXX@XXXXX.COM ...
>Gunnar Beushausen < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote:
>
>>If you're interested, please visit www.bcbalternatives.de
>
>I hope we don't need this...

Sadly *I* think we do.

To everyone:
Even if Borland say anything positive about future developments regarding
BCB (officially) would you trust them to commit to it in the future after
the way we have been treated in the past?

TIA,
Dave


 

Re:BCB ALTERNATIVES AND MIGRATION PATH

Hi Rodrigo
We're both in the same boat, and share the same outlook.
I've also been forced to evaluate all the migration options and the only
other thing I'm hoping for is that more 3rd party vendors produce pure .Net
versions of their components (as Developer Express have), rather than
VCL.NET versions. At least this way, a migration to C++ VS.NET may not be as
painful.
In the meantime we're restructuring a lot of our code so that we don't use
VCL components directly. Instead we use a core subset of highly customised
derivatives. Hopefully this will make it easier if we then have to switch to
.NET, or any other environment. For instance, rather than worrying about a
thousand TForms, we will only have to concentrate on adapting WinForms to
provide our core, standardised behaviour. As well as hopefully easing
migration this is also paying dividends in standardising the look and feel
of our user interface and making the code much cleaner.
But still, fingers crossed for a new BCB.
Des
"Rodrigo Gómez" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
Quote
>To everyone:
>Even if Borland say anything positive about future developments regarding
>BCB (officially) would you trust them to commit to it in the future after
>the way we have been treated in the past?

There are not much options really. For me, I'm willing to forget and
forgive Borland as long as they bring something good to the BCB world
again. BCB is such a great tool, and I have sooooo much time, money and
experience invested here, that changing this to another framework/language
will be too expensive, and improductive, if possible at all. I know it
might not be a wise decision to continue with Borland after the lack of a
clear path, but me business depends on the products I already have, and I
have to continue supporting and creating new features for them for the
next 5-10 years maybe (I still have one of my 3 big apps in BCB4!!!), so a
fixed IDE and up to date VCL will be a great help, even if it's the last
one.

I'm trying to find other options for new projects, or new versions of my
products, but they are practically limited to Delphi, as I depend on
several 3rd party tools that are not available for other platarforms. But
the STL is not available to Delphi, and, of course, the 4 years of BCB
(yes, I use __finally, __property and so on) code I have must be
translated... Bringing BCB to the Delphi world seems to me that will give
BCB a clear future (and maybe a much broader audience than now), so I
really have high hopes on not having to search for alternatives.

--
Rodrigo Gómez
 

Re:BCB ALTERNATIVES AND MIGRATION PATH

Mark Jacobs wrote:
PMFJI.
Quote
Could you please explain to me why you need .Net right now? It won't
run on Win9x platforms,
It won't run on CP/M either. Big deal.
Quote
and its memory and processor constraints mean
that the only people who can run it tolerably are power PC users.
It runs okay on the HP Kayaks we have here and they are horrible P3
based wrecks(*). Or is it P2?. Whatever. If a .NET application can run
on one of those I don't think we have much to worry about.
Computers change. Operating systems change. New technology should be
investigated fully before discarding or embracing it. Just saying 'pah'
and refusing to look at it helps no one.
(*)The name is a good one. It allows you to comment about "being up
excrement creek in a Kayak without a paddle" :)
--
Andrue Cope [TeamB]
[Bicester, Uk]
info.borland.com/newsgroups/guide.html
 

Re:BCB ALTERNATIVES AND MIGRATION PATH

Des O'Toole wrote:
Quote
>It runs okay on the HP Kayaks we have here and they are horrible P3
>based wrecks(*).

With faulty clocks ? :-)
Lol, probably. Those machines are hideous. I think we picked them up on
the cheap from HP a couple of years ago.
--
Andrue Cope [TeamB]
[Bicester, Uk]
info.borland.com/newsgroups/guide.html
 

Re:BCB ALTERNATIVES AND MIGRATION PATH

Could you please explain to me why you need .Net right now? It won't run on
Win9x platforms, and its memory and processor constraints mean that the only
people who can run it tolerably are power PC users.
--
Mark Jacobs
DK Computing
www.dkcomputing.co.uk
"Des O'Toole" <des>wrote in message news:418f5195$ XXXX@XXXXX.COM ...
| Hi Rodrigo
|
| We're both in the same boat, and share the same outlook.
|
| I've also been forced to evaluate all the migration options and the only
| other thing I'm hoping for is that more 3rd party vendors produce pure .Net
| versions of their components (as Developer Express have), rather than
| VCL.NET versions. At least this way, a migration to C++ VS.NET may not be as
| painful.
|
| In the meantime we're restructuring a lot of our code so that we don't use
| VCL components directly. Instead we use a core subset of highly customised
| derivatives. Hopefully this will make it easier if we then have to switch to
| .NET, or any other environment. For instance, rather than worrying about a
| thousand TForms, we will only have to concentrate on adapting WinForms to
| provide our core, standardised behaviour. As well as hopefully easing
| migration this is also paying dividends in standardising the look and feel
| of our user interface and making the code much cleaner.
|
| But still, fingers crossed for a new BCB.
|
| Des
|
| "Rodrigo Gómez" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
| news:418ea5d9$ XXXX@XXXXX.COM ...
|>>To everyone:
|>>Even if Borland say anything positive about future developments regarding
|>>BCB (officially) would you trust them to commit to it in the future after
|>>the way we have been treated in the past?
|>
|>There are not much options really. For me, I'm willing to forget and
|>forgive Borland as long as they bring something good to the BCB world
|>again. BCB is such a great tool, and I have sooooo much time, money and
|>experience invested here, that changing this to another framework/language
|>will be too expensive, and improductive, if possible at all. I know it
|>might not be a wise decision to continue with Borland after the lack of a
|>clear path, but me business depends on the products I already have, and I
|>have to continue supporting and creating new features for them for the
|>next 5-10 years maybe (I still have one of my 3 big apps in BCB4!!!), so a
|>fixed IDE and up to date VCL will be a great help, even if it's the last
|>one.
|>
|>I'm trying to find other options for new projects, or new versions of my
|>products, but they are practically limited to Delphi, as I depend on
|>several 3rd party tools that are not available for other platarforms. But
|>the STL is not available to Delphi, and, of course, the 4 years of BCB
|>(yes, I use __finally, __property and so on) code I have must be
|>translated... Bringing BCB to the Delphi world seems to me that will give
|>BCB a clear future (and maybe a much broader audience than now), so I
|>really have high hopes on not having to search for alternatives.
|>
|>--
|>Rodrigo Gómez
|
|
|
 

Re:BCB ALTERNATIVES AND MIGRATION PATH

"Mark Jacobs" <www.jacobsm.com/mjmsg?Borland%20Newsgroup>wrote in
message news:4190ac88$ XXXX@XXXXX.COM ...
Quote
Could you please explain to me why you need .Net right now? It won't run
on
Win9x platforms, and its memory and processor constraints mean that the
only
people who can run it tolerably are power PC users.
Actually I don't need .NET at all at the moment. I will continue to use BCB
for the forseeable future.But I have investigated what our exit strategy
will be should we ever need to move on from BCB, currently .NET is the
strongest contender. Whilst investigating this I've come to the conclusion
that making code changes to ease any future transition will also benefit our
current codebase under BCB.
Des
Quote

"Des O'Toole" <des>wrote in message
news:418f5195$ XXXX@XXXXX.COM ...
| Hi Rodrigo
|
| We're both in the same boat, and share the same outlook.
|
| I've also been forced to evaluate all the migration options and the only
| other thing I'm hoping for is that more 3rd party vendors produce pure
.Net
| versions of their components (as Developer Express have), rather than
| VCL.NET versions. At least this way, a migration to C++ VS.NET may not
be as
| painful.
|
| In the meantime we're restructuring a lot of our code so that we don't
use
| VCL components directly. Instead we use a core subset of highly
customised
| derivatives. Hopefully this will make it easier if we then have to
switch to
| .NET, or any other environment. For instance, rather than worrying about
a
| thousand TForms, we will only have to concentrate on adapting WinForms
to
| provide our core, standardised behaviour. As well as hopefully easing
| migration this is also paying dividends in standardising the look and
feel
| of our user interface and making the code much cleaner.
|
| But still, fingers crossed for a new BCB.
|
| Des
|
| "Rodrigo Gómez" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
| news:418ea5d9$ XXXX@XXXXX.COM ...
|>>To everyone:
|>>Even if Borland say anything positive about future developments
regarding
|>>BCB (officially) would you trust them to commit to it in the future
after
|>>the way we have been treated in the past?
|>
|>There are not much options really. For me, I'm willing to forget and
|>forgive Borland as long as they bring something good to the BCB world
|>again. BCB is such a great tool, and I have sooooo much time, money
and
|>experience invested here, that changing this to another
framework/language
|>will be too expensive, and improductive, if possible at all. I know it
|>might not be a wise decision to continue with Borland after the lack
of a
|>clear path, but me business depends on the products I already have,
and I
|>have to continue supporting and creating new features for them for the
|>next 5-10 years maybe (I still have one of my 3 big apps in BCB4!!!),
so a
|>fixed IDE and up to date VCL will be a great help, even if it's the
last
|>one.
|>
|>I'm trying to find other options for new projects, or new versions of
my
|>products, but they are practically limited to Delphi, as I depend on
|>several 3rd party tools that are not available for other platarforms.
But
|>the STL is not available to Delphi, and, of course, the 4 years of BCB
|>(yes, I use __finally, __property and so on) code I have must be
|>translated... Bringing BCB to the Delphi world seems to me that will
give
|>BCB a clear future (and maybe a much broader audience than now), so I
|>really have high hopes on not having to search for alternatives.
|>
|>--
|>Rodrigo Gómez
|
|
|


 

Re:BCB ALTERNATIVES AND MIGRATION PATH

"Andrue Cope [TeamB]" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
Quote

It runs okay on the HP Kayaks we have here and they are horrible P3
based wrecks(*).
With faulty clocks ? :-)
Des
 

Re:BCB ALTERNATIVES AND MIGRATION PATH

Hi Andrue
I was just commenting that the timestamp on your posts seem to be out by an
hour (perhaps an incorrect timezone ?).
Des
"Andrue Cope [TeamB]" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
Quote
Des O'Toole wrote:

>>It runs okay on the HP Kayaks we have here and they are horrible P3
>>based wrecks(*).
>
>With faulty clocks ? :-)

Lol, probably. Those machines are hideous. I think we picked them up on
the cheap from HP a couple of years ago.

--
Andrue Cope [TeamB]
[Bicester, Uk]
info.borland.com/newsgroups/guide.html
 

Re:BCB ALTERNATIVES AND MIGRATION PATH

Des O'Toole wrote:
Quote
Hi Andrue

I was just commenting that the timestamp on your posts seem to be out
by an hour (perhaps an incorrect timezone ?)
Hmmm. Interesting. We did just come off DST. I had this problem with a
laptop once. Let me check.
--
Andrue Cope [TeamB]
[Bicester, Uk]
info.borland.com/newsgroups/guide.html
 

Re:BCB ALTERNATIVES AND MIGRATION PATH

Andrue Cope [TeamB] wrote:
Quote
>I was just commenting that the timestamp on your posts seem to be
>out by an hour (perhaps an incorrect timezone ?)

Hmmm. Interesting. We did just come off DST. I had this problem with a
laptop once. Let me check.
Bah, yes. It's the same problem I had once before. Only thing is it was
caused by my laptop not being told to account for DST. This machine is
correctly configured to do that. I wonder if it's the newsreader?
--
Andrue Cope [TeamB]
[Bicester, Uk]
info.borland.com/newsgroups/guide.html