Board index » cppbuilder » Re: Is Borland Telling Us to Go Away?
Dave Jewell
CBuilder Developer |
Dave Jewell
CBuilder Developer |
Re: Is Borland Telling Us to Go Away?2004-06-05 02:09:12 AM cppbuilder11 "Randall Parker" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote QuoteThose guys in Scotts Valley are so Machiavellian. By driving off their own QuoteIf you think MS's next C++ offering is great, well, just imagine how much Dave |
John Jacobson
CBuilder Developer |
2004-06-05 02:39:30 AM
Re:Re: Is Borland Telling Us to Go Away?
"Dave Jewell" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
QuoteROFL. Jake, you really slay me! :-))) QuoteYou might have dropped the "Captain before. QuoteStop trying to defend the indefensible, and people will take you a bit Borland newsgroups as Dave and Derek?" [lurking lackeys: don't waste your time with inane rejoinders.] |
John Jacobson
CBuilder Developer |
2004-06-05 02:48:22 AM
Re:Re: Is Borland Telling Us to Go Away?
"Randall Parker" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in
message news:40bfa6e1$ XXXX@XXXXX.COM ... QuoteThose guys in Scotts Valley are so Machiavellian. By driving off their own customers after BC++ 4.0 came out. They all went over to Visual C++. That was nearly TEN YEARS AGO, people!!! C++ Builder has never acheived any great level of revenue or any great following. Therefore, it seems accurate to say that Borland lost their C++ customers a decade ago. Yet many on this newsgroup talk as if Borland has a significant number of existing customers to lose. It's silly. -- Read Jake's Blog at blogs.slcdug.org/jjacobson/ Or Get the RSS Feed at blogs.slcdug.org/jjacobson/Rss.aspx {smallsort} |
John Jacobson
CBuilder Developer |
2004-06-05 02:49:52 AM
Re:Re: Is Borland Telling Us to Go Away?
"Peter Agricola" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
QuoteWhat makes you think I am not a potential customer? -- Read Jake's Blog at blogs.slcdug.org/jjacobson/ Or Get the RSS Feed at blogs.slcdug.org/jjacobson/Rss.aspx |
Saulo I. Regis
CBuilder Developer |
2004-06-05 02:50:50 AM
Re:Re: Is Borland Telling Us to Go Away?
"John Jacobson" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >escreveu na mensagem
QuoteYet many on this C++ is the major language in usage today and for some years ahead! Saulo |
Tom
CBuilder Developer |
2004-06-05 03:01:42 AM
Re:Re: Is Borland Telling Us to Go Away?
"Peter Agricola" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
Quote
something to ask on a survey. Without people like Peter, Borland would have no place to start looking for solutions to lose of customer base. It is often easier to sell something to a person like Peter because you know what he is looking for. It is the customer who does not know what he wants that is the harder one to sell to and please with your product. |
abraham
CBuilder Developer |
2004-06-05 03:06:53 AM
Re:Re: Is Borland Telling Us to Go Away?
"John Jacobson" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in news:40c0c3f5$1
@newsgroups.borland.com: QuoteThen Borland lost all their C++ Cheers, Abraham |
Dave Jewell
CBuilder Developer |
2004-06-05 03:12:17 AM
Re:Re: Is Borland Telling Us to Go Away?
"John Jacobson" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote
Quote[lurking lackeys: don't waste your time with inane rejoinders.] Web. Thing is, I'm not trying to gain any sort of advantage. I found another great example of a lackey here: tinyurl.com/3d94e Jake - that one's just for you. ;-) Dave |
Gillmer J. Derge (TeamB)
CBuilder Developer |
2004-06-05 03:34:11 AM
Re:Re: Is Borland Telling Us to Go Away?
Dave Jewell wrote:
QuoteJake - that one's just for you. ;-) need to be here. -- Gillmer J. Derge (TeamB) |
David Erbas-White
CBuilder Developer |
2004-06-05 03:41:28 AM
Re:Re: Is Borland Telling Us to Go Away?
abraham wrote:
Quote"John Jacobson" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in news:40c0c3f5$1 'support' work in DOS. The problem was, it didn't do DOS very well, and there was still a fair amount of DOS work being done, and since it was a first pass at a Windows IDE, it had problems in that arena do (Win 3.1, obviously). As a side note, I know many places that are STILL using Borland C++ 3.1 for doing embedded systems work. Borland eventually made improvements in their Windows product, and by the final Borland C++ 5.02, it was again the winner of the class of Win 3.1 development systems. I don't know how much of a drop there was from 3.1 to 4.0, nor how much they gained back from 4.0 to 5.0, but that is my 'outside perception' of how things went. When they came out with BCB, it was NOT viewed (and is not viewed) as a C++ platform by most programmers, so they went to VS. However, BCB was the best RAD platform for using C++ code in Win32 (IMHO). It allowed continued use of existing code/algorithms, but unfortunately it has always been the ugly stepchild of Delphi, so neither Borland nor the user community embraced it as such. I would view it more as the idiot savant -- it certainly had its place, and I would prefer that it had continued, but you had to RECOGNIZE that it was C++ on a VCL base, if you wanted to use it effectively. The fact that you can't use C++ components in Delphi has really made BCB component development a dead end, and it didn't help that Borland is supported by what must be one of the worst marketing departments on the planet. All that is my $.02, and recollection of how things were... David Erbas-White |
Boian Mitov
CBuilder Developer |
2004-06-05 03:53:39 AM
Re:Re: Is Borland Telling Us to Go Away?
Lack of sufficient C++ RTTI !
abraham wrote: QuoteI always wonder why it's such an impossible task to make a pure C++ RAD |
abraham
CBuilder Developer |
2004-06-05 03:59:34 AM
Re:Re: Is Borland Telling Us to Go Away?
David Erbas-White < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in news:40c0d066$1
@newsgroups.borland.com: Quotebut you had to RECOGNIZE that it was C++ on a VCL base code insight, etc. why can't C++ handle it? -- Cheers, Abraham |
Boian Mitov
CBuilder Developer |
2004-06-05 04:07:42 AM
Re:Re: Is Borland Telling Us to Go Away?
May be in the next C++ standard. They are working on it.
abraham wrote: QuoteMaybe it's impossible to make this beast? |
abraham
CBuilder Developer |
2004-06-05 04:09:00 AM
Re:Re: Is Borland Telling Us to Go Away?
Boian Mitov < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in
QuoteLack of sufficient C++ RTTI ! Cheers, Abraham |
John Jacobson
CBuilder Developer |
2004-06-05 04:15:52 AM
Re:Re: Is Borland Telling Us to Go Away?
"abraham" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
QuoteDavid Erbas-White < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in news:40c0d066$1 Read Jake's Blog at blogs.slcdug.org/jjacobson/ Or Get the RSS Feed at blogs.slcdug.org/jjacobson/Rss.aspx |