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Re: Your experiences with BCB 2006?


2006-02-15 08:07:00 PM
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Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] wrote:
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At 16:06:39, 14.02.2006, Mark Jacobs wrote:
>Do you not agree then, Rudy, that the upper management for this
>offshoot IDE company, should be chosen very carefully indeed, so as not
>to repeat the mistakes made by the current Borland management?

Of course. AFAIK, that is the intention. They are looking for new owners
and/or investors who have an interest in making the IDE products flourish.
However, you and I both know that geeks usually never make it to management eschelons
nowadays, with the exception of Bill Gates, of course. Some ex-marketing department
brainless bods will be appointed and we'll see the IDE sold off and/or flushed down the
pan. And I'm trying to be optimistic here!
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Mark Jacobs
www.dkcomputing.co.uk
 
 

Re:Re: Your experiences with BCB 2006?

At 12:50:16, 15.02.2006, Mark Jacobs wrote:
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Mark Jacobs wrote:
>So, why the heck is it in QC's database? Why would David I. brag
>about how the errors in QC are being corrected when the database
>itself is full of errors that are not errors?

The marketing department at Borland obviously do not realise how more
store is set by the QC reports.
I think that you don't understand how QC works. I have no idea what you
mean with "more store is set".
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Re:Re: Your experiences with BCB 2006?

At 08:25:20, 15.02.2006, Relaxin wrote:
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Sorry to burst your bubble but it does crash.
I have components that I have created
Perhaps that is the cause? Any component, expert etc. installed in the
IDE runs in the context of the IDE (i.e. becomes part of it), and can of
course crash it.
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Re:Re: Your experiences with BCB 2006?

Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] wrote:
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I didn't need very long to get accustomed to the Galileo IDE. It is not
*that* different, and I don't know about any bugs hindering productivity,
except error insight showing the wrong errors sometimes, and parameter
refactoring causing weird results (in Delphi). Since you didn't have
these in BCB6 anyway, you won't miss them a lot, I guess. <g>
I am currently using BCB5 SP1. Most of my projects are VCL and standard C/C++ - I do not
use STLs, and I try to avoid programming MFC directly if I can. How easily would they
import into BDS2006? Does TClientSocket work *exactly* as it did with BCB5? Has TRichEdit
been improved? I run at 1024 X 768 resolution - is this too cramped? TIA,
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Mark Jacobs
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Re:Re: Your experiences with BCB 2006?

Mark Jacobs wrote:
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Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] wrote:

>I didn't need very long to get accustomed to the Galileo IDE. It is not
>*that* different, and I don't know about any bugs hindering productivity,
>except error insight showing the wrong errors sometimes, and parameter
>refactoring causing weird results (in Delphi). Since you didn't have
>these in BCB6 anyway, you won't miss them a lot, I guess. <g>


I am currently using BCB5 SP1. Most of my projects are VCL and standard
C/C++ - I do not use STLs, and I try to avoid programming MFC directly
if I can. How easily would they import into BDS2006? Does TClientSocket
work *exactly* as it did with BCB5? Has TRichEdit been improved? I run
at 1024 X 768 resolution - is this too cramped? TIA,
I think, (my first impression), TClientSocket dissapeared from BDS2006
 

Re:Re: Your experiences with BCB 2006?

Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote:
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At 11:43:54, 15.02.2006, Hendrik Schober wrote:

>>The ones voting with their wallet most definitely not. On the
>>contrary. The faithful ones (even if they complained) were the
>>incentive to create a followup.
>
>You're free to disagree.

I'm not just disagreeing, it is actually quite clear. [...]
So it seems to me, too. Only it seems clear to me that
your wrong. But, as I said, you're free to disagree
with that.
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If everyone had
just voted with their wallet, there would not have been a market for BCB
anymore, so it would not have been revived. That is common sense.
If people hadn't stopped bying, nobody at Borland
would have cared what a few petitioners want. And
/that/ is common sense -- for a commercial enterprise
anyway. But, again, you're free to disagree with that.
Schobi
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I'm Schobi at suespammers dot org
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on it saying 'End-of-the-World Switch. PLEASE DO NOT TOUCH',
the paint wouldn't even have time to dry."
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Re:Re: Your experiences with BCB 2006?

Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote:
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At 11:47:02, 15.02.2006, Hendrik Schober wrote:

>>Actually, if it wasn't for the "faithful", then there wouldn't be a
>>BCB here today at all...
>
>That's your opinion.

That's not an opinion.
<annoyed>
Whatever you think it is, you're free to have it.
And whatever you may think, I am free to have
others of it. And we both are free to state 'em.
So please stop jumping on people who state things
you don't like. You're silly.
</annoyed>
Schobi
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I'm Schobi at suespammers dot org
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on it saying 'End-of-the-World Switch. PLEASE DO NOT TOUCH',
the paint wouldn't even have time to dry."
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Re:Re: Your experiences with BCB 2006?

Vladimir wrote:
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I think, (my first impression), TClientSocket dissapeared from BDS2006
So, how the heck am I supposed to stream sound over TCP/IP without one? I do hope you're
wrong on this one. Anyone else know for sure?
--
Mark Jacobs
www.dkcomputing.co.uk
 

Re:Re: Your experiences with BCB 2006?

Hendrik Schober wrote:
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Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote:

>Actually, if it wasn't for the "faithful", then there wouldn't be a
>BCB here today at all...

<annoyed>
Whatever you think it is, you're free to have it.
And whatever you may think, I am free to have
others of it. And we both are free to state 'em.
So please stop jumping on people who state things
you don't like. You're silly.
</annoyed>
I think Rudy is correct on this issue. If we hadn't done the survey, loads of newsgroup
outcries, and various other channels, including Paul Gustavvson's web pages, Borland may
well have ditched BCB as a white elephant. Thank goodness it is still going, as I
sincerely have no desire to move to MS Visual Studio in order to have to write my own
message pumps - Jeez! I really like BCB's "double-click on an event in the Object
Inspector, and you're ready to type your code in". I doubt MS even have an Object Inspector!
--
Mark Jacobs
www.dkcomputing.co.uk
 

Re:Re: Your experiences with BCB 2006?

At 14:33:54, 15.02.2006, Hendrik Schober wrote:
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So it seems to me, too. Only it seems clear to me that
your wrong.
Whatever. You probably think you know best.
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If people hadn't stopped bying, nobody at Borland
would have cared what a few petitioners want.
People didn't stop buying, since there was nothing to buy that could
serve as a replacement for RAD development with the VCL. Some, however,
kept on *using* BCB and complained about the quality and the lack of a
followup. They were the reason. Borland can hardly sell products to
people who have already jumped to another product. The people who stayed
were their market, not the ones who were gone.
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"For centuries, theologians have been explaining the unknowable in terms
of the-not-worth-knowing."
-- Henry Louis Mencken (1880-1956)
 

Re:Re: Your experiences with BCB 2006?

At 14:37:37, 15.02.2006, Hendrik Schober wrote:
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>>That's your opinion.
>
>That's not an opinion.

<annoyed>
Whatever you think it is
Be annoyed as much as you like, and think what you like. That doesn't
change the facts.
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Rudy Velthuis [TeamB] rvelthuis.de/
"Death does not concern us, because as long as we exist, death is not
here. And when it does come, we no longer exist." -- Epicurus.
 

Re:Re: Your experiences with BCB 2006?

Mark Jacobs wrote:
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How easily would they import into BDS2006?
I've had little trouble importing BCB6 projects, though sometimes not
all of the library files update automatically. Also, third party
components will need to be rebuilt (none of mine actually needed to be
upgraded).
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Does TClientSocket work *exactly* as it did with BCB5?
I do not use TClientSocket, but I have heard that it has been
deprecated since Delphi5. It is still included, but no longer appears
in the tool palette. Since it has been deprecated for so long, it is
probably unchanged.
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Has TRichEdit been improved?
I don't think so.
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I run at 1024 X 768 resolution - is this too cramped?
IMO, very. I'm at 1920x1200 and that feels about right - especially
with a second monitor to hold some of the stuff. The ide definitely
takes more real estate than the BCB5/6 IDEs did. There is still
grumbling about changes to the tool palette and it is not really
possible to keep it as compact as in BCB5/6. On the other hand it is
more convenient to use with more components visible.
- Leo
 

Re:Re: Your experiences with BCB 2006?

At 13:18:33, 15.02.2006, Mark Jacobs wrote:
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I am currently using BCB5 SP1. Most of my projects are VCL and standard
C/C++ - I do not use STLs, and I try to avoid programming MFC directly
if I can. How easily would they import into BDS2006?
Probably straight away. But that is hard to tell without knowing more
about your projects.
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- - Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)
 

Re:Re: Your experiences with BCB 2006?

At 14:45:38, 15.02.2006, Mark Jacobs wrote:
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Vladimir wrote:
>I think, (my first impression), TClientSocket dissapeared from BDS2006

So, how the heck am I supposed to stream sound over TCP/IP without one?
I do hope you're wrong on this one. Anyone else know for sure?
It didn't disappear. From the BCB2006 help:
<<
TClientSocket manages socket connections for a TCP/IP client.
Unit
Scktcomp
Syntax
[C++] class TClientSocket : public Scktcomp::TCustomSocket
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>
I also grepped for it, and it is still there.
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Re:Re: Your experiences with BCB 2006?

Vladimir wrote:
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I think, (my first impression), TClientSocket dissapeared from BDS2006
No it didn't. It is no longer installed by default, but add the
dclsockets100.bpl. Note that Borland deprecated these components as of D7 and
recommend switching to the Indy socket components, but they are still available
in BDS2006.
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