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Re: BCB2007?


2007-03-23 04:50:43 AM
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In article < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,
"Relaxin" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote:
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What management?
The last word I heard was that C++ doesn't even have a Project Manager
yet...has that changed?
People like Chris Pattinson, Michael Swindell, and Ben Smith. They
may not be C++ Managers, but they do help steer the ship, are helping us
get our jobs done more efficiently, and are supportive of our plans to
make the C++ tools kick major butt.
--
-David Dean
CodeGear C++ QA Engineer
<blogs.codegear.com/ddean/>
 
 

Re:Re: BCB2007?

David Dean [CodeGear] wrote:
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CodeGear released a patch this month that can be applied to BCB3.

No you didn't! You released a *patch* for the C++ runtime libraries in
BDS 2006.
For users of older versions you released *source code files* and told
them to rebuild the runtime libraries themselves. And, as you know, a
least a few users had problems doing that.
You should have rebuilt the libraries for each version and released the
revised libraries. You would have spent the time and effort once, and
saved every one of those users some time and trouble. You don't need to
go to the trouble of creating hotfix installers for every version
(though that might be nice), simply generating the required files and
zipping them with clear instructions on where to place the new source
and library files would be a great improvement. It would have been a
little extra effort that went a long way for those users who had
problems. And, it would have been recognized by others, like me, who
weren't directly affected by the omission but see the hypocrisy in your
(CodeGear collectively) claims about how well you are supporting users
of older versions.
Dennis Cote
 

Re:Re: BCB2007?

David Dean [CodeGear] wrote:
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I really want to tell you what we've been working on, but I
am not allowed to do so.
Delphi 2007 ships with the C++ IDE compiler 5.9.0.11, at least that is
what the version info in comp32x.dll says. So if CodeGear hasn't simply
increased the version number of the C++ compiler then it jumps from
5.82 to 5.9.
The question that comes to my mind is what will be the version after
5.9. Version 6.0 can't be used because that was the bccx compiler which
was available as a technology preview for C++BuilderX. Maybe 18.5 to
get in sync with the dcc32 compiler?
--
Regards,
Andreas Hausladen
 

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Re:Re: BCB2007?

"David Dean [CodeGear]" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
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In article <4602b7f3$ XXXX@XXXXX.COM >,
"Dennis Jones" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote:

>Borland's habit, on the other hand, has been to release zero-to-few
>patches,
>to a point, but never beyond (or even close to) the release date of their
>next version (that I know of).

CodeGear released a patch this month that can be applied to BCB3.
(Just a start, but that should demonstrate that we *do* intend to act
differently than Borland)
I wouldn't exactly call that a patch, and I highly doubt most users would
either. What you did was release a fix for a library that hasn't changed in
ages. The fact that it works for BCB3 (and probably most, if not all,
Turbo/Borland C/C++ products ever produced) is purely coincidental, and not
intentional by any stretch of the imagination. I think it is a
misrepresentation to say otherwise, because if the library had been
different for each Borland C/C++ product, it almost certainly would not have
fixed any of the older products.
- Dennis
 

Re:Re: BCB2007?

Andreas Hausladen wrote:
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Delphi 2007 ships with the C++ IDE compiler 5.9.0.11, at least that is
what the version info in comp32x.dll says.

Is that a non-breaking bug fix compiler release (like the rest of
D2007)? Can it be used to replace the one in BDS 2006 using your
bcc32pch extension?
Dennis Cote
 

Re:Re: BCB2007?

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D2007)? Can it be used to replace the one in BDS 2006 using your
bcc32pch extension?


I think so.
.a
 

Re:Re: BCB2007?

"Andreas Hausladen" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in
message news:4602f226$ XXXX@XXXXX.COM ...
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David Dean [CodeGear] wrote:

>I really want to tell you what we've been working on, but I
>am not allowed to do so.

Delphi 2007 ships with the C++ IDE compiler 5.9.0.11, at least that is
what the version info in comp32x.dll says. So if CodeGear hasn't simply
increased the version number of the C++ compiler then it jumps from
5.82 to 5.9.
Wait a minute...how is it that Delphi users got an updated C++ compiler
before us BCB users?
- Dennis
 

Re:Re: BCB2007?

Dennis Jones wrote:
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Wait a minute...how is it that Delphi users got an updated C++ compiler
before us BCB users?

- Dennis


Nah, I doubt it's an updated version. Most likely they opened it with a
resource editor and changed the build number.
 

Re:Re: BCB2007?

David Dean [CodeGear] wrote:
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There hasn't been any official announcement to my knowledge, but
Michael Swindell has posted that there will be a C++ specific product
release.

It might be too late. If C++ personality is released a few weeks before
BDS2007 release it wouldn't make any sense. How are you gonna sell it?
Offering SA to get BDS2007?
 

Re:Re: BCB2007?

Roddy Pratt wrote:
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Dumb question time: Why does it ship with a C++ compiler at all?
There is also a bccide.dll, but no bcc32.exe and no C++Builder
personality (bcbide100.bpl). So the IDE can't use the compiler and
without a command line compiler there is not much to compile.
--
Regards,
Andreas Hausladen
 

Re:Re: BCB2007?

Dennis Cote wrote:
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Can it be used to replace the one in BDS 2006 using your bcc32pch
extension?
You do not need bcc32pch to use that compiler in BDS 2006 (I haven't
tried it [yet], so I don't know if it is possible at all).
--
Regards,
Andreas Hausladen
 

Re:Re: BCB2007?

Dennis Jones wrote:
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Wait a minute...how is it that Delphi users got an updated C++
compiler before us BCB users?
Aren't you also a Delphi user: Delphi for C++ :-)
--
Regards,
Andreas Hausladen
 

Re:Re: BCB2007?

Andreas Hausladen wrote:
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Dennis Cote wrote:

>Can it be used to replace the one in BDS 2006 using your bcc32pch
>extension?

You do not need bcc32pch to use that compiler in BDS 2006 (I haven't
tried it [yet], so I don't know if it is possible at all).


*Please* let us know how it goes when you get around to it.
Dennis Cote
 

Re:Re: BCB2007?

Andreas Hausladen wrote:
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Delphi 2007 ships with the C++ IDE compiler 5.9.0.11,
Dumb question time: Why does it ship with a C++ compiler at all?
- Roddy
 

Re:Re: BCB2007?

Roddy Pratt wrote:
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Dumb question time: Why does it ship with a C++ compiler at all?

Roddy,
Perhaps the Delphi compiler is really just a language front end, and all
that Delphi code is translated into C++ and then compiled into native
code using the C++ compiler (Like the original Cfront compiler). Maybe
that's how they are going to implement generics in Delphi. :-)
Dennis Cote