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Microsofts shareholding in Borland


2003-11-17 08:46:15 AM
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Does micosoft have a RAD C++ devepment enviroment
competitive to Buider and VCL, how does it compare, if
microsoft increased it's shareholding in Borland would it
retain Builder as a flagship product?
Digby
 
 

Re:Microsofts shareholding in Borland

Digby Millikan wrote:
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Does micosoft have a RAD C++ devepment enviroment
competitive to Buider and VCL, how does it compare,
No it does not. A lot of people use VB for their GUI work and VC++ for the non
visual work. MFC has never been RAD.
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if
microsoft increased it's shareholding in Borland would it
retain Builder as a flagship product?
I see no reason why. MS dominates the Windows C++ market without RAD today and
has for years. MS's stake in Borland is totally non voting class C stock and
the result of of lawsuit settlement (and helped fund Kylix for one thing which
was not in MS's interest at all).
--
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(Please do not email me directly unless asked. Thank You)
If there is somebody up there could they throw me down a line. Just a
little helping hand just a little understanding. Just some answers to the
questions that surround me now. If there's somebody up there could
they throw me down a line. (Fish)
 

Re:Microsofts shareholding in Borland

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:16:15 +1030, "Digby Millikan"
< XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote:
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Does micosoft have a RAD C++ devepment enviroment
competitive to Buider and VCL ...
Visual Studio .NET 2003 and WinForms offer "managed C++" development
that provides a somewhat similar environment to C++Builder.
The problems to me include the fact that you must use the .NET
runtime, have to deal with the "managed C++" memory issues when mixing
managed/unmanaged code, and I've yet to discover how to write my own
lightweight components (although I admit I haven't spent much time on
it yet).
However, this is definitely not the same as the old crufty MFC. It is
moving in the right direction with regard to RAD features. It is just
not mature yet.
---
Michael McCulloch
 

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Re:Microsofts shareholding in Borland

"Digby Millikan" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
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Does micosoft have a RAD C++ devepment enviroment
competitive to Buider and VCL, how does it compare, if
microsoft increased it's shareholding in Borland would it
retain Builder as a flagship product?

Looking at VS.net2003's Rad capabilities, it strikes me that by the time
Longhorn is released in 2006, Visual studio will be an awesome rad
development environment for .net.
C# looks very promising.as a .net development language.
 

Re:Microsofts shareholding in Borland

Look up what preferred stock is before you state that Microsoft, MS, holds
shares of Borland. The term "preferred stock" really does not describe a
stock at all but rather the lowest possible grade of bond and does not
represent ownership.
www.faqs.org/faqs/investment-faq/general/part13/
MS was being sued for targetting Borland's R&D staff. They received the
disclosure of evidence as required prior to trial and in there was an item
claiming that people working for Microsoft were in a hotel in San Jose
making calls to Borland demanding the list of R&D employees and their home
addresses and identifying themselves as investigators from the Federal
Government. It is only a guess that this item is why, but after that MS
decided to settle out of court. They asked that the terms of the settlement
not be made public but soon after MS both gave Borland some money and bought
preferred stock.
Now if you wish to state the ownership of preferred stock in Borland means
MS owns part of Borland, you are very wrong but the free speech guarantee in
the 1st Ammendment allows you to do so. However if you do that realize this
may identify you as part of the crowd of people wearing tinfoil hats.
. Ed
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Digby Millikan wrote in message
news: XXXX@XXXXX.COM ...

Does micosoft have a RAD C++ devepment enviroment
competitive to Buider and VCL, how does it compare, if
microsoft increased it's shareholding in Borland would it
retain Builder as a flagship product?
 

Re:Microsofts shareholding in Borland

Actually, preferred stock is ownership. It is equity capital, NOT bonds.
Preferred stock has some attributes that make it a little like debt
(sometimes providing for a fixed percentage annual dividend, and getting
preferential treatment over common shares in a liquidation). But it is,
nevertheless, equity capital, is unsecured, and is part of stockholders'
equity.
The reference to "lowest grade bonds" relates only to preferred stock's
status in a liquidation. Bottom line, you can't know whether a particular
class of preferred really looks like a bond unless you look at the
prospectus or related SEC filings.
Just to set the record straight...
"Ed Mulroy [TeamB]" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
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Look up what preferred stock is before you state that Microsoft, MS, holds
shares of Borland. The term "preferred stock" really does not describe a
stock at all but rather the lowest possible grade of bond and does not
represent ownership.

www.faqs.org/faqs/investment-faq/general/part13/

MS was being sued for targetting Borland's R&D staff. They received the
disclosure of evidence as required prior to trial and in there was an item
claiming that people working for Microsoft were in a hotel in San Jose
making calls to Borland demanding the list of R&D employees and their
home
addresses and identifying themselves as investigators from the Federal
Government. It is only a guess that this item is why, but after that MS
decided to settle out of court. They asked that the terms of the
settlement
not be made public but soon after MS both gave Borland some money and
bought
preferred stock.

Now if you wish to state the ownership of preferred stock in Borland means
MS owns part of Borland, you are very wrong but the free speech guarantee
in
the 1st Ammendment allows you to do so. However if you do that realize
this
may identify you as part of the crowd of people wearing tinfoil hats.

. Ed

>Digby Millikan wrote in message
>news: XXXX@XXXXX.COM ...
>
>Does micosoft have a RAD C++ devepment enviroment
>competitive to Buider and VCL, how does it compare, if
>microsoft increased it's shareholding in Borland would it
>retain Builder as a flagship product?


 

Re:Microsofts shareholding in Borland

Visual C++ is not RAD? Why the heck do they call it Visual?
Gee wonder if I've ever seen Visual C++ ;)
"Jeff Overcash (TeamB)" < XXXX@XXXXX.COM >wrote in message
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Digby Millikan wrote:
>
>Does micosoft have a RAD C++ devepment enviroment
>competitive to Buider and VCL, how does it compare,

No it does not. A lot of people use VB for their GUI work and VC++ for
the non
visual work. MFC has never been RAD.

>if
>microsoft increased it's shareholding in Borland would it
>retain Builder as a flagship product?

I see no reason why. MS dominates the Windows C++ market without RAD
today and
has for years. MS's stake in Borland is totally non voting class C stock
and
the result of of lawsuit settlement (and helped fund Kylix for one thing
which
was not in MS's interest at all).

--
Jeff Overcash (TeamB)
(Please do not email me directly unless asked. Thank You)
If there is somebody up there could they throw me down a line. Just a
little helping hand just a little understanding. Just some answers to the
questions that surround me now. If there's somebody up there could
they throw me down a line. (Fish)
 

Re:Microsofts shareholding in Borland

Gary wrote:
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Visual C++ is not RAD? Why the heck do they call it Visual?
... because you don't need edlin to edit your sources? <eg>
--
Ruurd